Quest ranges
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I spoke about this a few times but didn't really have a solution because it was too early. Having hearing some of the issues people are having though and this conversation topic repeatedly coming up I think there is a good balance.
BASIC: These are your entry-level quests. Alleyway, pixies and such. Meant to be doable as a single person. Generally low risk but high reward. Helps people who have just had bad luck get on their feet or soften the blow for the servers difficulty for people who are just getting into it. Lucrative, basic, but limited in quantity and range.
Levels 4-6, party 1-8
MODERATE: These are the low/medium range quests. Sewer goblins, barrenstone and most of the things which are already level 6 cap but require multiple people to enter. A lot of these seem to scale well for party size and level, but people have trouble currently getting groups for them because levels 4->5 and 5-> 6 aren't too hard and can be solo'd, but level 6's are rare because they have such a massive ammount of quests available to them and get powered to 7 rapidly. By adjusting the range from 4-8 this allows both lower and medium leveled characters to interact, quests difficulty will be appropriately scaled by spawns, but reward for the medium ranged members isn't silly so in the end it benefits the lower/medium end of the spectrum. All quests are like that though.
Levels 4-8, party 2-8 OR levels 5-8 if it has tricky spots and parties need more hp to last because at that range all levels do is give hp
HIGH: These are the medium/high range quests. Lizardfolk, orcs, ogres, stormhorn giants and so on. Really anything with over 8 AB and 10 damage possible. Some of these are currently 6-9, some of them are 7-10, but there is no reason for the distinction. There is no difference between a level 6 and a level 7 unless it is a primary spellcaster, in which case the only reason for a 7 minimum would be because stoneskin/imp invis are MANDATORY buffs for the quest which you shouldn't enter without. These weird level ranges also make it so that there are two (really 3 though) quests which a level 10 is even capable of, which means that a level 9/10 who should be a mover and shaker in the community is impotent because of their lacking ability to obtain gold or supplies to do things or participate in events, or with other people. Expanding these ranges gives some overlap, and remains balanced due to spawn difficulty increase, though it doooessss get a little crazy sometimes coughDwarvenThugLevel14Barbarianscough The only mechanical difference between a level 9 and a level 10, anyway, is 10ish hp and maybe one AB. Except for sorcs who earn 5th circle slots.
Levels 6-10, party 2-8
Special: These are special eventlike quests. At the moment: Gnolls. This should also have a special warning in the description to warn people this is a brutal, horrible, dreadful slog that will beat the crap out of them and may take hours to complete (give an estimated time if long like gnolls so people don't have to leave halfway for RL), but will be appropriately rewarding if they are able to complete it. These end-tier things do need a higher limit more of as an ooc indicator that this is different from normal quests but of course have the best rewards and dm loot like stuff.
Levels 7-10, party 3-8 (or 3-10)
TL;DR
Basic 4-6 soloable
Moderate 4-8
High 6-10
Special 7-10, 3-8/10 party sizeOverlap of levels 6 and 7 between moderate/high allowing more flexibility for player interaction and reduced playerbase segregation, particularly with timezones and lower player count, while maintaining difficulty ranges of quests appropriately via spawn scaling.
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Our original plan was 4-10, 4-6, 6-9 and 7-10. But since launch it has become a bit more fluid, based of the quest itself.
Right now the list is a little outdated, but this gives an general idea what we have so far. I'm also missing a few quests, I'm certain.
Letter Trail (4-6) Fetch
Courier (4-10) FetchMountain Climbing (4-10) Exploration
Immer Trail (4-10) ExplorationTrashed Potion Shop (4-6) Starter
Sticky Situation (4-6) Starter
Graveyard Ops (4-6) Starter
Wyrm Cave (4-6) Starter
Kobolds Nest (4-6) Starter
Infested House (4-6) Starter
Haunted Mansion (4-6) Starter
Downtown (4-6) Starter
Heroic Plumbers (4-6) Starter
Old Tomb (4-6) Starter
Historic Farmlands (4-6) Starter
Firefall Keep (4-6) Starter
Maela's Monsters (4-6) Starter
Barrenstone (4-6) Starter
Lord Darendaal's Wedding Ring (4-6) Starter
Wolf Infested Farmlands (4-7) StarterStarwater Tomb (6-9) Average
Ancient Watchtower (7-10) Hard
Dwarf Rescue (7-10) Hard
Warm Waterfall (7-10) Hard
Irondrake Rock (7-10) Hard
Gnoll Peaks (7-10) Hard
Calantar's Cave (7-10) Hard -
immersea lizardfolk 7-10, size 3-8 *
Hillmarch Ogres 6-9 party 3-8 *
Redwood child specter 6-10, party 3-10 -
Redwood, redspring meadow Barrenstone 4-6, party 2-8
Calantars road, orcs, 7-10 party 2-10
High road ants 6-9 party 3-8 *
high road, stone cliffs 1-6, party 1-6
Eveningstar 4-9 party 1-8 *
Moonsea ride, gnoll path 7-10, party 2-10 -
Battle of South Horn 7-10, party 2-8 *
Storm horns, tempest valley 6-10, 2-8 -
Storm Horns, Giants Passage 7-10, party 2-8 *
Helmlands, blasted lands 6-9 party 2-8 ?
Helmlands, forest of eyes hut 6-10 (hard) -This is the list of what I have which is up to date from what is found so far. Doesn't include 1-6 stuff which may have potentially been changed higher.
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asterisks on mine were changed quests which needed testing and - is broken or incomplete
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Fetch
Letter Trail (4-6)
Party Size: 1-1
Quest Giver: Gemma Green, located in Arabel: Faceless InnCourier (4-10)
Party Size: 1-20
Quest Giver: Squire Saga, located in Arabel Outskits, Calantar's RoadExploration
Mountain Climbing (4-10)
Party Size: 1-20
Quest Giver: Mountain Climbing, located in Dragon TrailImmer Trail (4-10)
Party Size: 1-20
Quest Giver: Immer Trail, located in Eastway, BospirStarter
Trashed Potion Shop (4-6)
Party Size: 1-3
Quest Giver: Lana WettonSticky Situation (4-6)
Party Size: 1-6
Quest Giver: Lady Kraliqh, King's PlazaGraveyard Ops (4-6)
Party Size:
Quest Giver:Wyrm Cave (4-6)
Party Size: 1-6
Quest Giver: Alicia Glimmerstoke, Arabel, Ourtskirts, Moonsea RideKobolds Nest (4-6)
Party Size: 1-8
Quest Giver: Kobolds Nest, located in Arabel, SewersInfested House (4-6)
Party Size: 1-3
Quest Giver: Enya Ighnii, located in Arabel, Historic DistrictHaunted Mansion (4-6)
Party Size: 2-8
Quest Giver: Georgina, located in Arabel, King's PlazaDowntown (4-6)
Party Size: 1-4
Quest Giver: Donna, located in Arabel, Historic DistrictHeroic Plumbers (4-6)
Party Size: 1-8
Quest Giver: Madame Valentina Foster, located in Arabel, Falcon's RestOld Tomb (4-6)
Party Size: 1-8
Quest Giver: Elderly Widow, Arabel: MortuaryHistoric Farmlands (4-6)
Party Size: 1-6
Quest Giver: Viola Tanner, in Arabel, Historic DistrictMaela's Monsters (4-6)
Party Size: 1-6
Quest Giver: Malea, Immersea: Maela's Boarding HouseBarrenstone (4-6)
Party Size: 2-8
Quest Giver: Barrenstone, located in Redwood, Redspring MeadowsLord Darendaal's Wedding Ring (4-6)
Party Size: 1-6
Quest Giver: Darendaal Chamberlain, High Road, StonecliffsWolf Infested Farmlands (4-7)
Quest Giver:
Enemies: Wolves, Dire WolvesAverage
Starwater Tomb (4-9)
Party Size: 1-8
Quest Giver: Jasmine Popine, located in EveningstarFirefall Keep (6-9) WORK IN PROGRESS
Party Size: 2-8
Quest Giver: Summerstar Steward, located in Hullack Forest, Firefall ValeInfernal Cavern (6-9)
Party Size:
Quest Giver:Hillmarch Ogres (6-9)
Party Size:
Quest Giver:High Road Ants (6-9) Optional Incomplete
Party Size:
Quest Giver:Hard
Redwood child specter (6-10)
Party Size:
Quest Giver:Forest of Eyes (6-10) WORK IN PROGRESS
Party Size:
Quest Giver:Immersea Lizardfolk (7-10) Missing loot
Party Size:
Quest Giver:Ancient Watchtower (7-10)
Party Size: 2-8
Quest Giver: Alice Sydow, Eveningstar, Battle of South HornDwarf Rescue (7-10)
Party Size: 2-8
Quest Giver: Grakdreck Iceriver (Storm Horns, Eastern Slopes)Warm Waterfall (7-10) WORK IN PROGRESS
Party Size: 2-10
Quest Giver: Rau'azz, located in Storm Horns, Tempest ValleyIrondrake Rock (7-10)
Party Size: 2-10
Quest Giver: Astrid, located in Storm Horns, Giants PassageGnoll Peaks (7-10) Missing loot
Party Size: 2-10
Quest Giver: Gnoll Peaks, located in Moonsea Ride, Gnoll PassCalantar's Cave (7-10)
Party Size: 2-10
Quest Giver: Mr Blisterfoot, located in Calantar's Road, Blisterfoot Inn -
Irondrake rock one is complete! It's the warm waterfall that isn't. Ancient Watchtower still has Wail of the Banshee though. Lizardfolk seems done (needs loot like everything though and 7 minimum is just too high). The ones that aren't done are ants optional, forest of eyes one, warm waterfall, child spectre. I slap gnolls on there too for now because... don't do it. Not until it is filled up :P
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Updated list
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Pinned so I know where to find it
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Maela's Monsters (4-6)
Party Size: 1-6Not there
Wolf Infested Farmlands (4-7)
Could this quest be changed to 4-7 please? Currently 4-6
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@JoeKickAss said in Quest ranges:
Wolf Infested Farmlands (4-7)
Could this quest be changed to 4-7 please? Currently 4-6
Why?
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@SpiffyMeister said in Quest ranges:
@JoeKickAss said in Quest ranges:
Wolf Infested Farmlands (4-7)
Could this quest be changed to 4-7 please? Currently 4-6
Why?
Well the description is wrong here, but nice to have some 4-7 quests.
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Giving it a little thought as of late, I think there is room to improve upon the way in which we look at segregating our quests.
In this theoretical method, the quests level restrictions are completely unlocked and parties are free to recruit whoever they like/whoever is available to join them and get to decide their own relative level of difficulty.
Instead, difficulty is largely measured by a player's ability to progress further along the quest's story/areas. Creating layers of difficulty that players themselves can decide if they are willing or able to progress through. In this, you don't necessarily even need to balance strictly for level anymore, simply creating a more difficult challenge every time you advance through a section of the quest means players will end up metering themselves as they start to struggle through encounters.
I'm not super sure what a quest like this looks like in practice, but I'd like to see one or two implemented just to see how it works.
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Oh, I think I understand. Example will be the Orb quest series from EFU.
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Explain for those of us who never played EFU
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Entry quest is easier and has floating eyeballs, soloable.
Secondary part of quest has eyeballs, cultists and aberrant worms, requires 2 people and is harder.
Tertiary part of quest has a literal beholder with all the dangers that presents, requires three people and is all but guaranteed to kill you.Loot and gold reward from each one scales up with each quest you receive.
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What Morui said. There's also plentiful loot rewards if your character have enough perception, additional gold, healing supplies mixing bench.
Then there's resting area at the end of the second quest.
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That sounds really cool. Like the hardmode optional areas, or a tiered exploration zone.
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Sounds like a fun idea for quests where it makes sense, we have had similar set ups in the past and I know it is planned for Ants. But, right now there are other things which are more prioritized, however so most likely wont happen in the near future. :) Feel free to post some Quest suggestions where these kind of set ups would work.
