Lower Scroll UMD DC's

Paramour

I am playing a level 7 rogue with maxed UMD and not-negative charisma. That translates to 11UMD.

I need to roll a 15 or better to use a level 1 scroll.

Why are the scroll DC's all 25+?

toportime

In vanilla Emulating a class with a DC25 is for a value of 600,000 gold.. I get CoA is on a different economy but that seems a bit excessive for a 1st lvl spell value

Zool

It's just the default.

Needs discussion but we can change it easily now since the fix to multi class scroll use with UMD Involved

Cadiz

i have been using UMD to do use scrolls, throwing points into the skill but also using items has meant i am doing fairly well with it.

failure is accepted but the pay off when they work can be huge!

toportime

With the average lvl on the server at 8th level, a Rogue with 18 charisma has a 45% chance to use a 1st lvl scroll if they put every skill point they could in UMD. That just seems... extreme for the server power level.

toportime

It seems the Scroll DC is only jacked to the 25+spell level due to the Hardcore setting on CoA, there seems to be a way to ignore the special Scroll DC and put it back to the normal UMD checks, but I am unsure if there is a way to change it otherwise. The NWN wiki has all the info https://nwn.fandom.com/wiki/Use_magic_device

Strife and Discord

I rewrote that entire code months ago and made it possible for the team to decide what DC they want to use for it. Right now its still set to 25 until they make the decision how to approach it and balance it.

But UMD is no longer using vanilla nwn code for scrolls.

toportime

@strife-and-discord That doesn't change the issue, just how to adjust the issue if that is decided on.

Zool

It's just about DM team decision. There is no technical issue at all as Strife described

Paramour

Just a bit of a bump.

Anything moving on this one?

Echo

If anything had moved, we'd post about it.
Have patience, Grasshopper.

Zool

It's just one of many things that are always being discussed in the huge balance fandango

Prof. Misclick

Stay tuned for an update regarding this.

Happy gaming!

Prof. Misclick

Change being implemented by the amazing @Strife-and-Discord

Scroll UMD DC is calculated as
25+innate spell level

Current system example
Maxed UMD (Level 8) 11
Cha assuming +2
Item assuming +1
Total is 14.

That means you need to roll an 11 + innate spell level success +/-45% of the time and decreasing.

With SF: UMD need to roll an 8 + innate spell level success +/-60% of the time and decreasing

Altered Feat SF: Use Magic Device

This one rewards characters who invests in SF: UMD by lowering the DC check by 3 (Scrolls only!)

Example

DC is calculated as 25+Innate Level
Magic Missile has a DC of 26 (25+1) without SF: UMD

Magic Missile has a DC of 23 (25+1 -3 ) with SF: UMD

Now a character needs to roll 5 + innate spell level success +/- 75% of the time

Will be live

Strife v8063

Happy Gaming!