DM Announcement RE: Favortism Et Al.
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Alirght.. let stop walking arond the flower pot…..
First Zool. about your elven player who walk in Hullack and ask to talk with elven npcs...
Let said this elf is me..
You presume i was there alone and trying to get elven of hullack npcs attention for my personal interet...becose you see me in Hullack alone sometime... as you presume when there a players you consireding good rp one have good reason to call you when he did...even they have none and act like stupid fool when dms not arond.. and bring nothing to other characters.. exept when DMS ARE AROND.. ..etc..etc... and even then.. it alll buss sh.. only for look cool front DMS.. ALRIGHT IT NOT ALL TRUE..BUT YOU SEE.. ... .. your not the only one who can presum stuff after couple of bad exeprience with certains players...LET know i never ask to talk to npcs if it not for something involve more players.. for a present reason or a futur one... ..
LET KNOW IT WAS CHARACTERS come to my chAracter... WHO KNOW MY CHARACTER BECOSE THEY PLAY ALOT IN AREA where they have chance to met elven and/ or my character.. .. and becose they are involve in rp with me.. ..becose i do alot of rp with peoples when there rp to do and reason for... and they know the infuance of my character have on other elfs ..etc..BUT Your dosent know about it.. ...AND THAT PROOV EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.. YOUR NOT PUT THE SAME ATTENTION ON CERTAIN CHARACTER UNSTED OF OTHER. AND IT NOt LINKED OF THE REAL IC INFULANCE THIS CHARACTER CAN HAVE IN GAME ..
when you said i do not do what it take for get DM ATTENTION it wrong!!!!THE ELVEN FORUM IS A GOOD PROOV OF THIS... and yes dms give more attentiion and make life more aisy for some players...
a other exemple ???..
mY elf( Erul) hade a Ortrant piece.. i get becose i rp with other players who have the ortrant piece...etc... and he die in the sherrif cell in the tower with his friend (Dratz)..
a moment guarde desapear strangly of the cell... the cell door open and a rat enter ... and stole the Ortrant on my body... and glowing red... Dratz was in the cell. and yell to guards.. : GUARD !!! A RAT STOLE THE ORTRANT ON erul BODY,,, HE GLOYING IN RED... no anser.. Dratz use DM CHANEL.. PARTY CHAT..ETC.. at the end DM BRING A GUARD... so the rat change in dog.... guard enter in the cell and said.. ho..poor doggy.. come with me i will let you get out of here... Dratz said. hey.. it not a dog. it a druid who change is self and did you see how he glowing in red.. he hade a Ortrant piece..
Note : let know Erul hade the Ortrant for weeks and have alote of trouble to stay alive becose of it.. constently be huinted. and all the npcs he met . . goblins... orcs... bird... tree.. know he have a ortrant piece when they see hime.. I even be aatacked by a npc assassin in my inn room when i sleep...
But strangly.. this NPC guard was a LOBO...dosent know why the dog gloying.. dosent feel it strange to see a dog apear in a cell.. and dms work hard to find a ways to let this druid get out of the tower with the ortrant. but at the end Dratz yelling so much to evrybody..Thune ( a player) come and take the ortrant.. .. but was not important cause 2 weeks later this druid get all the ortrant pieces. and walk freely in guildhall and evrybody whitout get any trouble to survive...
this druid was probably badly builded. and whitout realy good plans for keep the ortrant safe ... and whitout dms .. this druid whitout dms ... never get the ortrant and will not survive more of 10 minutes with it...
I HAVE 10000000000 OF OTHER EXEMPLES LIKE THIS.. thos are real.. fact.. and dosent get out of my mind ...
What keep peoples online and play for me ..
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BECOSE THEY HAVE TO WORK IN Team for survive. becose of the scrypted quest who ask a scout for traps..etc..etc...thos things push players to interact with others and deal with eachother...etc..
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becose compar of other rp server. is the hard one... where it hard to survive . where no golds fall from the sky... and becose you need to be wise for hig level
and stay hig level.. compar of certain server where a monkey can level up if he pass anuf time to play... -
becose evrybody need to stay IC AND RP them characters...
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becose there no to much diff between level.. so you can not see a 3 level character siting with a 30 level one and try to arguin with hime...etc...
-is the rp they can have with others character..
-it the feeling they see them character improv in a hard world..
IF YOU THINK killing constently players in your game will keep them online. well i dont know.. I lost alot of friends here . each time .. after they die couple of time in dms game .....after we ddint get any dms anser each time we make post on our elven forum about our plans... our home our temple we want to build..etc.. and we ddint get anser...after we make post about something whitout get anser and see a new characters of thos super players you like make ridicule post about the same thing and get anser and dms assistance whitout have to work for.. but becose they already make alote of things with other characters befor in the past or for some reason i dont realy want to know...
AM realy.. tired to read your stuff about how to do for get DMS ATTENTIONS... WE DID ALL THIS THINGS WITH THE ELVEN WARBAND FOR EXEMPLE. AND WE DDINT GET ANY THING ELS EXEPT TROUBLE... NO ATTENTION... AND DMS COME TO US AFTER MANY TIME WE POST STUFF AND ACT AS THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT US... bull...s.......
About this magic bag 100 reduction weight... or magic stuf good for some and wrong for other...
IF Erin decide to build is character with 8 in str. is her damn trouble.. and she have to deal with the reality we face of . as all the rest of the players.. she juste have to give some books to others players who want to keep them or put point in str ... that all..LET THE PLAYERS FIND THEM WAYS TO SURVIVE AND GET WHAT THEY WANT if they can if they respect the rules and stay IC .. THE REST NOT YOUR BUISNESS....
if a players not able to do what he want with his character and dosent fond ways to get it with players help.. he dosent deserve it . end of the story....
Of course you can let a character fly in your dm game if you think this character can fly... but do not give her a tool for fly IG when your not arond... if there no ways for other characters with a rp reason to fly too .....
It is not becose players have no will to try to survive and have no will to use strategie OR NO WILL TO WAST TIME TO CRAFT OR DO THOS STUFF NOT ALWAYS SUPER COOL for get what they need...
IT TAKE 10 silvers BAR FOR DO A SIVLER FULL PLATE.. SO IT MEAN YOU NEAD TO GO GET 20 SILVER ORE CHUNK. SO IT MEAN YOU GONE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME SIVLER.. AND GO THERE ALOT OF TIME.It gone be dangerous. and you better be ready... SOMETIME YOU WILL NOT gone fine silvers.. sometime you gone hve to go alone ..etc..etc.. it maybe boring for some. but that what it is..SO why dms shoud give thos silver armor to thos players who prefer to do something els......or have no golds to buy one to a other character who made it.. i mean. golds they fond IG....gold they get with scrypted quest. or in hunt in the wild or golds others players give them for ic reason......without DMS HELP. as we did ..
Now i will probably gone have 1000 post about this . who gone tell me am a paranoy fool and it not like this. etc..etc..
ALL I ASK IS RESPECT ME IF YOU SEE I RESPECT THE RULES IF I STAY IC IF WHAT I DO IS IC FOR MY CHARACTER TO DO IT.. .. AND STAY IC.. DO NOT KILL MY CHARACTER PERMENENTLY BEFOR I GET CHANCE TO DECIDE IF I AM READY FOR... AS YOU DID WHEN YOU WARNED OTHERS PLAYERS BEFOR GAME... AND STOP TO BRING ME NPCS MONSTERS OR NPCS WHEN YOU FOND ME ALONE SOMEWHERE . JUSTE FOR MAKE ME RUN AWAYS OR FOR PROOV ME I SHOUD NOT GO ALONE... IF YOU CONSIRED MY CHARACTER TO POWERFUL FOR PLAY IN YOUR GAME OR YOU DOSENT FEEL YOU WANT MY CHARACTER IN A GAME.. TELL ME BEFORE PLEASE... BEFOR I ACCEPT TO HELP YOUR FRIEND PLAYER TO SURVIVE IN YOUR GAME AND BE IGNORED AND TREATH LIKE SHIT BY YOUR NPCS..
FOR ALL THOS REASONS.. i do not go in DMS GAME becose i do not trust them faire play.. and when i am in a dms game becose it will be so none IC FOR MY CHARACTER not be there.. i do realy carful AND stay behind and will leave at the first chance i hade to .. and i will take my allies character out of there if i can for save them lifes .. them experiences.. them golds... for we can continue to play and do stuff for our ic goal... toghters... after your game..
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If you don't want any attention from the DM team, then I am rather puzzled why you are discussing the content of this thread.
Unless you are trying to say you don't want any attention, but feel it's unfair other players who do, and play characters that garner those kinds of rewards through those actions shouldn't get any either.
But that doesn't make much sense.
Anyway, to attempt to address some of your concerns.
BUT Your dosent know about it.. …AND THAT PROOV EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.. YOUR NOT PUT THE SAME ATTENTION ON CERTAIN CHARACTER UNSTED OF OTHER. AND IT NOt LINKED OF THE REAL IC INFULANCE THIS CHARACTER CAN HAVE IN GAME ..
IC influence over other PC's is all good. But it's not the same as IC influence over NPC's.
See, our NPC's become impressed and hear about characters through their exploits, which are generally that thing you hate me directing you to. Adventure and intrigue.
Elves in the hullack might not have heard about the character who has a lot of PC friends, and enjoys their game time running quests and building up relationships between other players –- Which is fine, and great, and an essential part of the server.
But the Elves might have heard about the character who has been gathering parties and holding hunts in the forest, battling lycans, and seeking ancient elven artifacts in the ruins of myreriatar, in order to reforge a lost weapon and challenge the alpha of the Hullack pack, gathering support from various DM and PC factions by making deals, gathering special reagents from the depths of the underdark for a group of mages, who in return pledge their aid in studying the magic of the ancient elven ruins.
a other exemple ???..
mY elf( Erul) hade a Ortrant piece…...... [Snip]
Much of this is slightly mis-informed, which is understandable considering you were in the fugue when it happened. Various skill rolls were involved, and the guards freaked out and locked the odity within a cell to wait for his superior to sort out the strange magic – The gaurds aren't always adventurers that have delved into magical crypts and slain liches, and tend not to have a deep understanding of magic -- they are often just commoners that signed up for a decent wage, and were hoping to have another relaxing day of sleeping against the walls, and getting their free meal with that crusty bread they like.
What keep peoples online and play for me …........ [snip]
Glad you enjoy several elements of the server.
IF YOU THINK killing constently players in your game will keep them online. well i dont know.. I lost alot of friends here . each time .. after they die couple of time in dms game ….
Risk was part of what you enjoyed wasn't it? I'm getting mixed message here, but we try to balance things as best we can, sometimes to the characters levels, sometimes its simply balanced to the setting.
…..after we ddint get any dms anser each time we make post on our elven forum about our plans... our home our temple we want to build..etc.. and we ddint get anser...after we make post about something whitout get anser and see a new characters of thos super players you like make ridicule post about the same thing and get anser and dms assistance whitout have to work for..
Sorry you feel like that, but this is the myth we are trying to dispel here. Perhaps I simply missed it due to timezones, that is a possiblity, but mostly, even then, we notice characters exploits cropping up on various forums, faction forums mostly, but also in the IC discussions and such. I saw a few plans of what was wanted for the elven war band on the player faction forum, but I never really saw what was being done to get it, apart from attempting to contact the purple dragons. I'm fairly certain I gave your faction members several hints (OOC, and IC) about how you might go about achieving some of these things, maybe other things got in the way, or were simply more fun for you to persue, and that's fine, have fun here how you like– but as we have kept saying, if you want to Get Things Done On CoA there are various ways that we promote, as we feel they add more life to the server and create a fun environment for the players.
ALL I ASK IS …. [Snip]
Generally when a character kills a major NPC, especially one who runs the guard faction, and gets caught, it will make little sense to allow them to respawn, unless they've perhaps made some kind of awesome infernal deal with a devil or something! :)
Sometimes I'll spawn a few monsters to chase a lone explorer, especially in a place where it makes sense for them to be. This could be utilised by that player to gather a group and go to fight the creatures, it's possible they might find something out about a storyline, or gain some artifact, or gain a great trophy from the tribe leader or something.
Anyway, yeah. If you don't want to interact with the DM team, that can be arranged I'm sure, I'm not 100% certain why you play here in that case though, I guess you like all the other features we've put the time and effort into creating for the player base to enjoy, and that's fine, but, do you really need to complain about favouritism when you don't want to be 'favoured' anyway?
I hope this has addressed at least some of your concerns to an acceptable level.
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But the Elves might have heard about the character who has been gathering parties and holding hunts in the forest, battling lycans, and seeking ancient elven artifacts in the ruins of myreriatar, in order to reforge a lost weapon and challenge the alpha of the Hullack pack, gathering support from various DM and PC factions by making deals, gathering special reagents from the depths of the underdark for a group of mages, who in return pledge their aid in studying the magic of the ancient elven ruins.
Zool..I was with Nandra from the beginging . when she ask us to come in Hullack. for talk with them npc elvens allies… I bring elvens hunbt in hullack .. talking about malarites.. show all the spot and searching for secret place with my groups.. so many time... IF THERE A character who can said he go in Hullack and make rp about it more of Erul... NAME IT??..
If there a character who make more rp of Erul..for regroup the elvens who want to rp the elven life style... and try to find ways to help them to find a place to live ..and help the elven from hullack in many ways whit them.. NAME IT ...
If there a elf character who was able to to build a elven warband able to defend the rest of them... whitout abuse of PVP.. AND with trying to find ways for the peoples have fun .even thos who fight agains us... NAME IT ...
Much of this is slightly mis-informed, which is understandable considering you were in the fugue when it happened. Various skill rolls were involved, and the guards freaked out and locked the odity within a cell to wait for his superior to sort out the strange magic -- The gaurds aren't always adventurers that have delved into magical crypts and slain liches, and tend not to have a deep understanding of magic -- they are often just commoners that signed up for a decent wage, and were hoping to have another relaxing day of sleeping against the walls, and getting their free meal with that crusty bread they like.
ZoolI was in the fugue.. siting on my chair close of my friend Dratz who play in my home and i watch what apen in the cell when i was in the fugue on his screen... ... I see what apen exactly...
My point is the guard react like this when it how the DMs want too and ddint react like this when DMS dosent want it too .. as this NPC Guard Hogan... evrybody tell me is the most honorable man they know..etc.. but .. he ask the guard to search on us after we help hime to kill Hog the half orc.. he locke us in the sherrif tower and force us to let us search by the guard...
i refuse.. BECOSE I HADE A INFERNALIST CONTRACT ON ME.. AS YOU SAID. I WAS SUPOS TO GET DEAL WITH POWERFUL DEAMON... BUT THIS DEAMON WAS NOT THERE FOR HELP ME THIS TIME...and he was not in the fugue for help me to be resurected... AND I WAS TINKING THE GUARD WILL FIND IT ON ME IF THEY SEARCH IN MY BAG and will execute me for it.. .. I DDINT KNOW THOS CONTRACT CAN NOT BE SEE IC by other character if they search on me..why i ddint know ??? becose i already see Shard a elf player rp he show is infernalist contract to someone ..etc.. . and i tell it to the dms after.. and they juste anser. to bad man....So my point is.. whe my character go help guard for fight and denfed them tower... they locked me in .. lie to me.. use magic and i get kill and finish permentanly dead....
and when this druid enter in the tower.. she able to reach the cell . stole a ortrant piece on a dead body.. change forrm 2 or 3 time.. and she get out alive... and get the Ortrant...
When i have the ortrant.. goblins.. guards... npcs ... birds.. stone.. evrything trying to take it from me... and know what am carrying.. and i need to hide and use alote of stuff for keep it safe.. and waiting for other when DMS will be ready for we can make his game with thos ortrant. and wait and wait and wait.. weeks..
and when this druid have the ortrant. she dosent have this trouble and evryting go fine.....and she fall on Lobo guards and can travle and if she met dms npcs is for talk to her and bring her more clue and ic info for she find what to do with it...
Dms dosent look to have trouble to push the pause buttton when something wrong.. well that was this kind of moment DMS SHOUD push the pause button and juste tell me . it alright ..the guards can not see your infernalist contract so you can let them search on you.. or juste .. said ..let said you ddint kill this npc and he is juste in the coma and the guards put you back in the cell and we will see what we gone do later with you... with some trial.. etc.. give chance to someone to help me..etc.. ..
after all.. i trying to find a ways for not hurt to much the autority of Hogan and let them do is work.. so i anser . alright... i will stay in the jail... locked in your cell until you find what your thinking someone stole... THE GUARD ACCEPT MY DEAL... AND IT ONLY WHEN I WALK AND GO IN THE CELL .. Hogan use magic for Hold us and ask to the guard to search on us... So i become piss and attack them and try to get out . but a npc guard with a halber kill me..Risk was part of what you enjoyed wasn't it? I'm getting mixed message here, but we try to balance things as best we can, sometimes to the characters levels, sometimes its simply balanced to the setting.
ZoolI PLAY IN RPG FOR 20 YEARS.. arond table with friends. and i never see game where our character die 4 time each night..
WHAT THE FUN OF IT??..
a other exemple? :
I was arond a firecamp at the night.. with two of my elvens friends.. we was talking about what we have to do for get this tower we want it for us.. and about thos broken key of Malar we fond....etc... the ambiance was cool. i put litle music.. and it was realy hot... i was completly emerge in my character and was a great moment... there moment like this...
we was 5 on the server online... it was late.. some player make sending about some orcs in the slums.... and ask for help...
WE was far and we ddint have no ic reason to go help the town in this..we was already in trouble with autority . and we was happy where we was...
the players talk to me on the tell.. said.. comand.. it a DM GAME.. he invite us..etc...etc...
i anser. no.. i dont want go in the slum. it to dangerous and i dont care if orcs destroy town. and my friend netter...
So DM come to us with a elven npc... was totally none ic to see this elf there but aneways.. he ask our help.. and tell us it will be dangerous but please go in the slum..
What this wild elf from no where have to care of thos slums trouble.. i dont know. but aneways. i said to my self... Well i supos the dms want to make a good game and he dosent have players for play with.. so alright let be cool and go there...I GO THERE.. AND 10 MINUTES LATER I WAS IN THE FUGUE.. not 1 hours later after cool rp and amazing story... no... juste after i met.. not one half orc bandit with a big waraxe like thos who met sometime in the wild... no but 12 half orcs bandit surrunded me and kill me...
I said on the dms.. HEY MAN.. what this about.. it not a litle abusif??? ..
Dms anser.. life in not fair. etc..etc.. Wow.. amazing game man. thank you.. juste tell me next time you want to play.. i will log off...
This 10 minutes of my character life... ruine the 4 days of work or maiby more.. i made for reach this level.. and we talk about the 10 or the 9 level.. a level you can not get back aisely..... and all this for what ?. for good rp ?. nha. the game was juste like 10 minutes.. and nothing exept this fight apen...
so I DONT WANT TO TELL YOU your job. but in my mind. a dm have to look his players befor make them a game... watch them characterS. .know them allignements.. and get anuf information about thos character for be able to interact correctly with them and is npcs... he have to creat story and game where the players will feel they have good rp .. and cool interaction with the DM npc....not for kill them 2/3 of time..
Sorry you feel like that, but this is the myth we are trying to dispel here. Perhaps I simply missed it due to timezones, that is a possiblity, but mostly, even then, we notice characters exploits cropping up on various forums, faction forums mostly, but also in the IC discussions and such. I saw a few plans of what was wanted for the elven war band on the player faction forum, but I never really saw what was being done to get it, apart from attempting to contact the purple dragons. I'm fairly certain I gave your faction members several hints (OOC, and IC) about how you might go about achieving some of these things, maybe other things got in the way, or were simply more fun for you to persue, and that's fine, have fun here how you like-- but as we have kept saying, if you want to Get Things Done On CoA there are various ways that we promote, as we feel they add more life to the server and create a fun environment for the players.
Zool..
FORUM HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TIME ZONE.. IT AISY TO ANSER US BY THE FORUM TOO .. AND SET A TIME FOR PLAY WITH US IF IT THE ONLY WAYS TO DO IT..We talk to the purple dragon who are responsable of the tower we want to hire...becose it was for rent... .. and dms ddint anser us.. what your not understand in this ??..
Dms shoud make purple dragon anser... and tell us what we have to do for rent this tower.. how much .. or what ever.. if we dont have anser from the npcs who are in control of something we want or can help us for something we need to do.. .. what can we do ???......what can we do if a other players creat a new character and sudently after one weeks of play... he have anser from this NPCS becose this players is a super amazing players on the eyes of the DMS... ... .. tssss..
The only interaction with dms i have is when i get trouble with thos super amazing players ......
The only special magic stuff i fond was on thos super amazing players who run to me for make me trouble or for fight agains me..becose i probably make some rp and infuance some peoples and the server life anuf for they feell they need to deal with me... and they die.. and decide to stop play them character and tell me i can take them stuff... and god!!!! .. i can believe what i fond sometime... and ask to my self.. are thos players play in the same server of me.... -
Honestly mate, I don't answer anything because I can't understand half of what you're writing here. Zool's been pretty awesome in my book to take the time to respond clearly and succinctly.
My guess, 99% of your real problems are the very poor communication skills here. Likely, this is just a language thing, but the lack of complete sentences, proper grammar, or even rudimentary use of spell check has made it impossibly for me to decipher most your post.
Just something you should seriously consider. If you aren't understanding what people are saying to you, you likely are missing quite a bit of information. If we're not understanding 99% of what you type, then odds are there is just no communication going on at all.
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Lol… that funny.. most of the peoples dosent look to have trouble to understand what i said.. but ..aneways i do not play alote anymore.. only sometime... but i watch my friend Winter play.. and it juste give me more reason to write stuff here.. and Winter dosent have trouble to be understanded .... i think...
exemple.. Winter . is a priest of Moonbow.. as the noble npc elven lady who come for help agains the Shardovar.. but each time he met her she juste ignore hime.. even he save the ass of evrybody 10 time each dms game.. even he prays the damn same god of her. and are the high elven priest arond.. even he rp and talk alot about Moonbow etc..etc... even he show respect to this npcs elven...etc..
when DMS BRING THIS noble elven follower of Moonbow.. she juste act as Winter.. dosent existe. .she even dosent nods to hime.. even he his front of her.. even she nods to the others character with hime... this noble elf prefer to watch the litle Hin trying to eat the leg of someone juste for trying to be interesting and original..or i dont know...
Seriously.....
so he tell me . why i go in thos DMS GAME... NO interaction with npcs linked with his character as he dosent exist.. not a single mark of respect or juste a * the elven look at winter and nods*... .. no exp... becose he is to high level... spend all is potions and stuff each game... and risking is character life...
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MMM.. make a litle test.. … WHO UNDERSTAND MORE OF 99 % OF STUFF I SAID ? ...
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Also, I think I see part of your confusion. Some of your examples appear to me to be this:-
You're viewing Arabel as a PnP tabletop experience, where the DM can always be there for you, to possess NPCs for every little thing, generally guide you along the story.
. but in my mind. a dm have to look his players befor make them a game… watch them characterS. .know them allignements.. and get anuf information about thos character for be able to interact correctly with them and is npcs... he have to creat story and game where the players will feel they have good rp ..
And in a PnP game, you are absolutely correct. But this isn't PnP tabletop. It's not feasible for DMs to "get to know" 40+ people logged in at one time. The only ones we get to know are the ones that stand out (in whatever way).
The DMs don't run the story here. We facilitate what stories the players come up with, while also introducing skeleton plots (skeleton mind you, they are not scripted start to finish) for players to develop and evolve in their own ways.
CoA doesn't have one DM with five players all facing each other facilitating instant feedback and communication.
You have to treat CoA as what it is. It's an online roleplaying game. If your expectation from CoA is an old school PnP experience, then you're going to be sorely disappointed.
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I don't understand a thing you say Azazel. I usually spend 10 minutes just trying to read it. But I'll assume you have made your "point" to the DMs with your opinion on the topic.
Favortism: It happens - it happens like this:
DM - Wow this person is doing this, I think I'll help them out a bit.
Player doing something: Nice! A DM is helping! I must be doing something cool and right!
Group Nice: Awesome! That player is doing something cool and they're getting a dm to help - looks like this could be sweet.
Group Poor: WHY DOES THAT PLAYER GET HELP?!Player Becomes involved with Group Nice and generally ignores Group Poor.
Play. Have fun. If you don't like it - either suck it up, swallow your pride to have fun.. or play some where else.
Or! Become like player - have fun, involve people, try to make things happen and DM's will interact.The key is to Think about others! The more you work to involve the masses on CoA - the more awesome fun you will get with the DMs. (Think about others to achieve your own goals - include lots of people!)
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lol alright.. am sorry then if no one understand what i said…. i have the impression most of the peoples understand.. when am IN GAME.. ..etc.. but am probably wrong... ..
well cool .. i do not have any bad feeling seriously.. juste a game aneways..
Am a litle sad to be almost the only one who have gut to said what i think... i have many discution about this with many players and hade the feeling am not the only one . but i will let thos players do as they think it the best for them to continue to have fun whitout get trouble... so .. have fun.
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it is simply a issue of communication, do not quit, seek me out and I will try to aid you to the best of my abilities
I like to think I have learned to get along better with the DMs, which has not always been the case, the DMs are trying to help, and they are, some of their advice may be getting missed in the translation. I cannot help with regards the language issues, but I many times when I am in game will drop what I am doing to try and help. Seek me out any time, via tells or in character depending upon the issue, be it help in game or help with ooc game stuff
Remember the DMs are our friends, and ALL of the came from where we are now, they were all players at one time, they have volunteered their valuable time to moderate and advance a game at cost to themselves, though I know it is just a game, they have crafted it into a place that feels real to us
so real that sometimes we can get overly passionate about what we may perceive, and believe me, if it seems like favoritism, it is not, IN EVERY instance I have seen (and over the years I have seen many) they have had a good reason for what they do, I like to think I have a outsiders view of events, I am not a favorite in the terms others are expressing, but that being said I have a unique perspective, my play style precludes me from influencing groups of people, i try to do it one persona at a time, and each time i log in, it is a win if i have a satisfying RP encounter, and sometimes if the only encounter i have is via tells helping someone learn the nuances of survival in a seemingly hard server, if i have aided one person in staying in arabel and learning how to have fun i have scored another victory (each persons idea of fun is different, i offer them a starting point)
*of course the incident with the rogue DM years ago is the exception, but the DMS kicked him and his cronies out as soon as they seen what they were up to, those miscreants thought they could kill CoA, that was many years ago, it is going strong still
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lol thank Rav.. i dont think it a question of communication honestly but i can not said nothing els if peoples anser me they dont understand what i said…What can i said.. aneways..
Your the first one who always tell me to not go in dms game lol
I have to go on my knees evrytime i want you COME WITH US.. out of town for come with us somewhere.. and when we go there and you realise there maybe a DM AROND.. you run aways soon as you can .. invisible on hast hehe.. I dont blame you..
ANEWAYS THERE PROBABLY SOME PEOPLES WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAID OR TRY TO UNDERSTAND..CAUSE THERE 1850 VIEWERS OR PEOPLES WHO COME READ THIS POST ( dm annoncement re: favoritism et al. ... )
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there is a reason i run when i am in the areas you are trying to take me, especially with Rav….i am terrified of the NPC elves with good reason(i was sure i communicated them to you in game, I am sorry again if that was not made clear..but anyone who knows....will know why when i am playing Rav why i will try to avoid the hullack and the elfhold).. ....unless all the ones(Elves NPC and PC) who remember what I did with her are dead now
i treat the NPC elves now the way I would treat a Drow, as someone who will with good reason potentially want to kill me (for me walking past a blue npc non possessed elf in the wilds is tantamount to me metagaming them, i will try to run away from them unseen as fast as i can..a elven or drow war party to me..the same thing, sure one may be blue and the other red)
i do try to avoid some DM events, but I will participate in them as well, and lately I have been participating in some of the more dangerous events
if i came across with the impression you should avoid the DMs, i apologize that was never my intent
i am not running from the DM's when I am taken to the Elfhold..i am running from my(Rav's) past
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hehe.. thank Rav.. I dont know.. not shure is a coomunication probleme…
but your the first one who always tell me to no go in DM GAME.. and most of the time i hade to go on my kneels for you accept to come with us in the wild. and if you realise there maybe a DM arond... you run aways invisble on hast soon as possible.. hehe. i dont blame you..
Aneways.. there probably some peoples who understand what i write or find this post interesting or important in some ways.. cause there 1850 viewers ..about this post ( DM ANNOUNCEMENT RE: FAVORTISM Et Al..)
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I think a big problem here is that you seem to type a lot, but it becomes somewhat hard to read and incoherent, especially since English is not your first language. I would like to suggest that you use shorter sentences, maybe even in point form, and use a spellchecker. Mozilla has a built in spell-checker. If it is an unknown word, it highlights in red, and you can right-click on the word and change it. This helps to make your posts easier to read, and DMs, who have dozens of forums to read through, won't just give it a glance and ignore it because they can't spend the time to decipher and understand it.
If you want attention from NPCs, you have to find some way to get them to "join" your faction, or be in some communication with them. You have to fulfill their needs, to make them what to help you. You have to perform tasks for them to get their help. After that, they will tell you "Do this for me" and "You will receive this as a reward".
After a few of these, you will be able to progress on your plots.
For example
NPC: We need an army to fight the Orcs. We have no army
PC: I will create an Army. I will make a new faction.
NPC: Ok.
DM: This is interesting, he is giving the NPC what he needs. NPC is now happy.
Two Weeks Later
PC: Wow, my Army is pretty big. And we've been killing orcs in DM events for 2 weeks.
NPC: Very nice, I will give you a shiny sword and a promotion
DM: Players are getting involved. And he has some victories. He deserves a reward, and the NPC is very happy.
Three Weeks Later
PC: My army has 20 people, and has fought the orcs, the undead and the evil guys in the forest. Awesome
NPC: Wow, you are helping me fight all my enemies. I am going to support your faction directly and do alot of stuff with it.
DM: Wow, he has 20 people in his army, we must do more stuff for them. The NPC loves this PC, NPC will now give many rewards to player.
One Week Later
PC: Ouch, I am dead, some orc guy killed me
NPC: Thats too bad, you were doing alot of stuff. The NPC thinks you are too valuable to lose. You get saved.
DM: This PC has 20 people following him, and is involved in generating fun for 100 players. He gets a Get Out of Jail card. -
Favortism: It happens - it happens like this:
DM - Wow this person is doing this, I think I'll help them out a bit.
Player doing something: Nice! A DM is helping! I must be doing something cool and right!
Group Nice: Awesome! That player is doing something cool and they're getting a dm to help - looks like this could be sweet.
Group Poor: WHY DOES THAT PLAYER GET HELP?!Player Becomes involved with Group Nice and generally ignores Group Poor.
Play. Have fun. If you don't like it - either suck it up, swallow your pride to have fun.. or play some where else.
Or! Become like player - have fun, involve people, try to make things happen and DM's will interact.The key is to Think about others! The more you work to involve the masses on CoA - the more awesome fun you will get with the DMs. (Think about others to achieve your own goals - include lots of people!)
This sums it up nicely.
Just play nice, have fun and don't be a terrible person and you'll be fine on CoA
(Hi everyone) (tea sipping)
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The key is to Think about others! The more you work to involve the masses on CoA - the more awesome fun you will get with the DMs. (Think about others to achieve your own goals - include lots of people!)
I've always tried to keep that sort of frame of mind. You try to overthink things, ponder on the intentions or opinions of everyone too much and playing this game feels like more of a chore then actual fun :)
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I can understand you takes alittle effort sometimes.
But yeah just play to have fun it's what i do some characters get alot of attention im sure you would probably never meet them let alone hear about anything they do in game,i had never heard of shea's last character or heard about anything she did until the screen shots and epic battle ending deal they made,how they got it done i have no idea as like i said was a character that i never heard mentioned.
Thune was a great character everyone on the server knew him or about him he involved tons of characters either for or against but not everyone can play characters like that.
The elves got alot of DM attention I know some of it you didn't like but in the end it was there only trouble was we got caught up in to much PvP to get any of the goals done,and by to much I mean we rolled from one group to another until we were punched out.
Yes being swarmed by 12 halforc bandits was crappy but you could of run away,the DM using npc elf to get you to go seemed dodgy but you also chose to ignore other DM events so the fault for getting nothing done wasn't other peoples.
Bottom line is play and have fun and deal with whatever happens in game,you do this and anything you see as unfair or lame you just put behind you and can carry on having fun. -
As a DM once told me "roll with the punches and have fun" … wisest advice received.
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Then I think I punched you, didn't I?
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nods with a boyish grin
Yep, you did and I started to learn to roll with the punches. And guess what, I had fun. Looking back I believe i started learning that after the death of Watcher Jaron of Helm. All following characters - Rarethylir, Osynthir and Collas were awesome fun, did pull quite a few people into adventure and a little bit of intrigue and found grand endings which I personally found very rewarding.