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Small team of special forces my arse. America only needed one man to do the job:
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@HarryMcScary:
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I am not saying that people arent happy. Merely that discussing politics, and how good / bad the US is, will naturally come when opening the whole Osama thread.
And -that- is never productive.
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I've seen other gaming communities fall apart due to controversial disagreements. Largely, I don't see that kind of attitude in CoA. People in this community, from what I noticed, practice a certain level of acceptable tolerance. (I don't see a whole lot of controversial threads anyways)
Also, a good best practice is if you think a topic may bother you, don't read it. That's what I do.
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F*cker killed lot of people and destroyed one of the most important Buddism landmarks. World's far better off with him dead.
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I expected George W. Bush to announce Laden's death just before he left office, thinking he'd died months before, just so he would leave on a high note. Now I find it curious that this has been made public just at the start of the 2012 campaign.
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Maybe there will be more talks about cutting military spending now.
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@AWESOMEMAN:
I expected George W. Bush to announce Laden's death just before he left office, thinking he'd died months before, just so he would leave on a high note. Now I find it curious that this has been made public just at the start of the 2012 campaign.
There seem to be converging witness accounts about the reality of an assault at the time and place it is said to have occurred, as this one, which just happens to be the most spectacular I've found.
Why get the news several days after the fact? I have no idea, but a few days are not going to change much to the end result.
On why it happened -now-, well, except for the obvious that it takes time to locate one bloke in a country populated by several hundred million people that knows more or less constant unrest, I'd like to propose one additional idea, which I heard this morning n the radio news.
The recent upheavals in Arab countries have demonstrated that the radical, violent Islamic groups are -not- the spearhead that will help topple the corrupt regimes and give Arab people hopes for the future. It makes Bin Laden much less likely to be seen as a martyr. -
The recent upheavals in Arab countries have demonstrated that the radical, violent Islamic groups are -not- the spearhead that will help topple the corrupt regimes and give Arab people hopes for the future. It makes Bin Laden much less likely to be seen as a martyr.
Not necessarily. Egypt has toppled one of those 'corrupt regimes' and now the people are turning towards its Islamic parties. I'm not saying they are radical and violent, but in that case the "recent upheaval" is still a move from less to more Islamic.
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With regards to Bin Laden,
Good riddance to bad rubbish. I think highly of the states and Bin Laden, organised the most terrible and bloody terrorist attack in recent times and on civilians. I have been long awaiting the time, when either American or British special forces put a bullet in his head and im happy its happened.
Bin Laden was a tyrant and a murderer and deserved everything he got. Like all cowards, seems he wasnt any good when fighting real soldiers instead of civilians and amen to his body laying on the bottom of the ocean.
As for the point of oppossing dictatorships, its always right to do so, in my view, for if you dont they just get my confident and it leads to a more innocents being killed. The Holocaust and events like it, are the consequence of inaction.
I kind of feel for Harry, and say his moral argument is right. As for appeasers, there was nay sayers over Hitler, once upon a time as well, and this led to more bloodshed, until Great Britain, the states and our allies kicked his ass and Im glad the responsible world did that as well.
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until Great Britain, the states and our allies kicked his ass and Im glad the responsible world did that as well.
Out of the goodness of their heart…
:/Let me skip applauding when you call Stalin the flagship of the responsible world. ;)
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No, the US didn't join WWII out of the "goodness of our hearts" and we aren't trying to systematically dismantle Al Qaeda out of any altruism or sense of the "American Man's Burden", either. For myself personally, I haven't decided whether it's out of the satisfaction for vengeance or calculated relief that I actually feel good he's gone.
I was in the process of joining the Navy when he bombed our embassies in Africa. I was stationed on the USS Thach when he bombed the USS Cole. My daughter was most likely conceived (I am not joking) on September 10th, 2001. The context of my adult life (I'm 29) has been shaped by Osama bin Laden and the wars we're fighting with him and his ilk as justification. I am not sorry to see him gone, despite any of the myriad valid criticisms that people can lay against us for the role we had in creating him and people like him, and the terrible way we've handled our decade-long retribution for his attacks.
While it's beyond the scope of an online gaming forum (and it's way beyond the level of personal that I think I've ever posted here), I really, really hope that this creates a moment for everyone affected to pause and ask if there's a better way. I don't like the fact that I'm happy over his death, and I know that my feeling of satisfaction is shared by millions. If we're going to stop creating people like him- or creating situations where we respond to death with more and more death -people like me can't feel satisfied after an assassination. It makes it the only real response possible.
Even knowing that, I still feel relieved that this monster is dead. And there you have it. I'm not going to go home and crack open a bottle of wine, sing songs, and party all night long, but there is a level of comfort that I didn't even realize was missing before that I have back now.
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Sorry, Harry, for forcing you to get more personal then you usually do.
What you've said about your level of comfort in the past decade might be what they wanted to achieve. God forgive them for it.
Don't think that I've shed a tear for that man, it wasn't my point by any means. -
I personally shot off fireworks when I got the news and I know my neighbors joined in, so read into that as you will on my feelings on the death of Osama
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Do you need a body for a True Res or just chip in for a Large Diamond?
I guess it gives people something to celebrate where there hasn't been much to shout about recently - but I don't think anything will change with regards to terrorism. So many reports have said he's not even a real part of the regime any more, and people have suspected he's been dead for some time anyway (which I think he has honestly)
If anything there will be a backlash from it and stuff will actually get worse for a while.
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The comments I've heard on the backlash were somewhat mitigated by the following reasoning: First, the terrorist organizations have been trying for -years- to commit major acts of terrorism. the bombing in Marrakesh may (or may not) be the latest of those.
The reasoning, then, is that if AQ had any big plans up their sleeves, the recent events would not make a difference. Bin Laden was an ideologist and a propaganda figurehead, not an operational commander.
The risk of individuals acting may have increased, but not the risk of seeing coordinated terror campaigns. If such a threat exists now, it's not because Bin Laden was killed, it's because it existed already anyway. -
Well my own personal attempt to celebrate Bin Laden's death almost got me arrested with my school's police so I think I will postpone on the alachol for awhile. Nevertheless, I am more than happy that he is gone and while Al Qaeda is still around I'd like to believe that it is less of a threat than it was with him in charge even though its probably not true. I don't agree with every foreign policy choice we have made as a nation and I think if we had thought about the repercussions of some choices we make before we made them than this might have been avoided, but in the end whats done is done and I am relieved that this planet has one less evil man to worry about.
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Blood for justice! Blood for justice!
Dancing in the street because a man is shot dead! Be quietly pleased a bad man is gone, but don't be joyous. Personally, it creeps me out.
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It's wishful thinking to believe that with his death, Al Qaeda, their own allies, and other terroists groups with equally "radical" notions will be less of a threat.
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Al Qaeda is a loose network, not an organization. The killing was the pursuit of a criminal, not really a way to end the threat of terrorism in the middle-east.
That said, good riddance, but as someone else mentioned, it's really creepy to see people celebrate in the streets. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable. It's not like we won a war, and the fighting can stop now, or anything.
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About 13% of all deaths worldwide are caused by cancer, however less than 1% of 1% of all deaths are caused by terrorism.
So why is it that hundreds of billions of dollars a year are spent by the United States of America and other governments to prevent terrorism, yet funding research for finding a cure for cancer is almost insignificant in comparison
“In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us.â€