Paladins
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I find making such a difference between a paladin and any other followers of a diety weird.
Okay, I know it is a rule, I simply dislike it then. If I wanted to create a fantasy world I'd rather implement it as a feeling, or a strong opinion in the paladin what he has learned to use much like a sixth sense, so others may or may not trust his decision about it, as bad feelings can come from many sources.. the guy can be evil in truth or may just smell bad.
I think that with the current views on detect evil we either treat it an OOC tool not something we roleplay or we think on it as a spell.
I don't think I'd have problems with a 1 use/day detect evil spell for paladins.
Do we treat it as a spell? -
I find making such a difference between a paladin and any other followers of a diety weird.
Okay, I know it is a rule, I simply dislike it then. If I wanted to create a fantasy world I'd rather implement it as a feeling, or a strong opinion in the paladin what he has learned to use much like a sixth sense, so others may or may not trust his decision about it, as bad feelings can come from many sources.. the guy can be evil in truth or may just smell bad.
I think that with the current views on detect evil we either treat it an OOC tool not something we roleplay or we think on it as a spell.
I don't think I'd have problems with a 1 use/day detect evil spell for paladins.
Do we treat it as a spell?Paladins are not just "any other follower" a paladin is the CHOSEN CHAMPION OF GOOD AND LIGHT!
They are a shining example for all followers the favoured of the favoured.
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There's alot more fallen Paladins these days.
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Paladins are not just "any other follower" a paladin is the CHOSEN CHAMPION OF GOOD AND LIGHT!
They are a shining example for all followers the favoured of the favoured.
Do they recive immunity to doubts? :P
I think they are chosen champions of what their patron thinks of being good and … AronFF wonders if writing 'light' here is grammatically correct then finishes the sentence .
Ilmater might have a very different idea of being good then -let's say- Helm.However we got a bit off topic. :/
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I believe Paladins are much more closely aligned to Lawfulness and Goodness than to particular deities. Yes, they follow a deity, but the requirement is that they are Lawful Good. The Cleric's role is to interpret the Deity's dogma, the Paladin's role is to fight for Law and Goodness. To slay Evil and to defend Right. Paladins have a Cause which they drive for. Clerics have a Deity that they drive for.
I think a Paladin of Hoar will have much more in common with a Paladin of Ilmater than equivalent clerics would.
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I feel like it made more sense if it was the opposite way, and clerics and paladins of the same deity would have more in common then two paladins of two different -and different here might mean opposing in many ways- faiths.
Hey.. you've made me want to play a paladin!
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Paladins are expected to uphold the principles of Law and Goodness. After this, they are expected to uphold the tenets of their deity. Why this order? Because if the God allows chaotic/evil interpretations of his dogma, a cleric -might- accept them, a paladin cannot.
At the same time, different deities hold different standards for their paladins. As an example-
Let's take a paladin of Torm and one of Tyr, who corner a witch. If they kill the witch when it was possible to take her in, the Tyrran paladin -might- lose his powers, while most like, the Tormite wouldn't. Why? Because Tyr's the "I am the law" dude, and Torm is "smack the evil bitch down" dude.
As another example, let's take the kobold quest. A paladin of Corellon and a Paladin of Baravar find out that the kobolds were innocent of attacks. The paladin of Correllon might probably stop at this point, but the paladin of Baravar would likely keep going, without any repercussions. Why? Because kobolds and gnomes are racial enemies, going all the way up to their pantheons. Baravar is unlikely to strip a paladin of grace for killing kobolds, while Corellon might, depending on the circumstances.
That's my take on it, at any rate. It's a hard class to play, even the restrictions placed on paladins aren't uniform throughout, aside from the more obvious ones.
Paladins aren't there to spread the word of the God, they're there as the God's warriors, as well as champions of the abstract ideals of goodness and law. Warriors blessed by their deities to uphold their tenets are divine champions. Paladins are more than that; They uphold principles, as well as the word of their God.
Paladins will always have more in common with each other, than they do with clerics of their churches.
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You've made me want to play a cleric of Cyric posing as a paladin.
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You've made me want to play a cleric of Cyric posing as a paladin.
Never happen. People would know that the Silent/Still Curelight was a curelight not a lay on hands.
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You've made me want to play a cleric of Cyric that's part of a group posing as an order of paladins.
Fixed for even better awesomeness. You can even cover your bases for internal murderfests.
"Whatever happened to Sir Skinamen? He was such a good man." -Bystander.
"He fell from grace into wickedness, and had to be destroyed in the name of justice." -Sir Stabbybacks. -
Never happen. People would know that the Silent/Still Curelight was a curelight not a lay on hands.
You don't need to do lay on hands to be a paladin
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Never happen. People would know that the Silent/Still Curelight was a curelight not a lay on hands.
You don't need to do lay on hands to be a paladin
No, but after seeing "cleric" in the logon list, people would ask the supposed paladin to "prove" themselves a paladin by doing so.
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Do you ask other paladins to prove their skills as a paladin? I've never seen someone do it before. Unless their actions lead you to suspecting otherwise then you shouldn't ask it just because their class says cleric. Which some would say is just plain metagaming(If there is no real reason)
Added and to add, someone can "prove" they are a paladin by more then just being able to use lay on hands, with the proper ranks in persuade/bluff, you can do well without it. They could prove they are a paladin by their actions, not skills
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I think he was saying that people are going to metagame you.
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Well if your going to try and pull it off, you're going to need bluff and or persuade, with that and a creative mind you can easily avoid the blatant metagaming by coming up with something else to prove your the paladin
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Still Spell+Healing Spell+RP= Lay on Hands
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I have a paladin of kelemvor my lay on hands heal 1 entire HP so far all good.
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Well if your going to try and pull it off, you're going to need bluff and or persuade, with that and a creative mind you can easily avoid the blatant metagaming by coming up with something else to prove your the paladin
"Where mah aura of courage?! U FAEK!"
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Never happen. People would know that the Silent/Still Curelight was a curelight not a lay on hands.
You don't need to do lay on hands to be a paladin
No, but after seeing "cleric" in the logon list, people would ask the supposed paladin to "prove" themselves a paladin by doing so.
You would be surprised.
I've played a Cleric who pretended to be a fighter, who only ever cast spells in front of two or three people, no one ever metagamed it, and when she did cast in front of someone I'd always get a "Wait.. you're a cleric!?" tell.
Same now with Nysarra, she doesn't hide the fact she is a cleric, yet even now i still get the odd message when someone sees her casting healing spells.
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On my barb-malarite nefzen, i've been sent tells, "I like how you play your cleric" so like I think it would easy to pull of a cleric-paladin.