[Closed]Spellcaster Registration

I recommend codifying the spell caster registration into a law, rather than being an announcement. Additionally, I feel the law, as it stands, is not balanced and even-handed. To-writ: It references only Arcanists, I.E. users of the weave, and makes strong demands on those who simply live and exist. I would recommend the following changes:

The law apply to all spellcasters, regardless of divine or arcane. A villainous priest is as dangerous or sometimes more than an arcanist.
The law be changed to those who can cast the IVth circle of spells and higher. This focuses on those who have developed their talent to be a potent weapon and excludes those born with abilities from being forced to register by blood who haven't honed their talents.
The following be excluded from the registration: Official Clergy of approved Kingdom Faiths, Nobility, Those serving in official kingdom positions such as militia or peace officials, Senior Retainers or higher Noble House Staff, Those with official diplomat status.

I, however, defer the particulars of which circle is justified to the Guildmaster and the Lay Priest, as they are more experts in this field.

-Morpheus

@V-Rage @Ruler

V-Rage

I'm against this

Priests should not have to register and you are treading a dangerous line towards tyranny here

As it stands I'm mostly against Arcane registration but understand that was brought in because almost every mage of Raugabashes Tower and the Precept turned out to be defilers of the dead or other cultist.

Michael

@V-Rage

If the registration is removed it is removed. I have no feeling on it one way or another, but if we have a registration is must be even across the land for all spellcasters. Priests not bound to the orthodoxy and hierarchy of their temple are as dangerous as an unhinged mage. I am for all spellcasters register or none. This would apply even to myself as I qualify as a divine spellcaster under this proposed law. I will not argue the registration in and of itself, but it must be just and balanced with no favoritism or eliminated. That is all I have to say on the topic. The rest I leave to the priests and mages to discuss.

-Morpheus

V-Rage

I mean I'd remove registration then unless their magics are used in a crime

If someone uses their magic or blessings to harm the city then make a note of it so they can be dealt with easier in the future to protect Tymoras city

Michael

Ruler

It is an unfortunate bit of news to see the registration be viewed on such a singular axis.

What issue do you take with the arcane registry as it stands Laypriest Dupont?

~Guildmaster Finley Copperfield

Puffy

The Guildmaster of the Arcane Guild and his subordinates have been granted authority over the Arcane Register, this is a boon to the kingdom and all arcanists as per judgment of the Crown. It will not be removed.

Thereby we refer to the Guildmaster's knowledge and wisdom, those who have yet to share their thoughts may do so. However, it is the Guildmaster who has the heaviest weight upon this matter.

The Arbiter of Arabel

Seter

While I do concur with the High Arbiter that the Guildmaster's thoughts on the matter should have heaviest weight, I must also warn from apparent bias as a result.

To only have an Arcanist register if they commit a crime is, respectfully, unproductive. The registry's purpose, as I see it, is to ensure we are always aware of the potential of arcanists to keep an eye on those we believe could commit crimes.

I do see the merit in goodman Frosthelm's proposal to even the field and register also those of the Divine. It will be an olive branch to arcane spellcasters who feel persecuted by the establishment. That however will have to include the Wildwalkers as well, and I am uncertain how it will be received with them or if it is even feasible to register those who spend their times in the wild. Nevertheless I will favor such an approach of even justice.

I would recommend however that if we are to proceed with Frosthelm's proposal, to consider having the Arcane's Guild authority over these affairs augmented by those of the Divine and nature. A committee if you will.

Signed,

Lord Mordecai of House Cormaeril
Divine Champion of the Divine Right, Siamorphe
Head of House Chapter in the region of Arabel
Ruler of Immersea
Knight of the Realm of Arabel

Puffy

Clerics and Paladins are governed by the local churches.
Rangers and druids are governed by the Wildwalkers.

If a register is desired from these entities, then this should be kept separate from the Arcane.

The Arbiter of Arabel

O-louth

I may be lacking basic understanding of what you stone folk wish to achieve with a registry. Does it HURT, to have ones name be put to parchment? Does it change their way of life? Or is it simply... something to do?

Does being registered make any difference? And what occurs if someone loses the ability to use magic of the third or fourth circle? Should they have the right to pen a missive to be removed from the list?

I agree with the Frost Helmet, that a priest is just as dangerous as an arcanist in this regard, Marius being an excellent example. But I also know that the Oath takers will either take it as an insult to be registered, or simply will not be bothered by it, if it changes little.

Leaf

V-Rage

The churches are likely to take it as an insult too.

Michael

lunatichigh

Criminals are not criminals until crime is committed. Once crime is committed and documented, then are labelled criminal, and moving forward, scrutiny advised on person's activities.

Arcane Registry will not prevent magical crimes, but will allow for potential crimes to possibly be averted in future and investigated properly.

After all, merely is a name put to paper.

Other nations charge hefty fees in addition to registry or outright ban spellcasting to put in perspective.

Ruler

Its an Arcane Registry, should the crown be interested in it stretching beyond that into the divine, I would not have such matters be the responsibility of the Arcane Guild.

The registry as it stands, is not a punishment. Once submitted, the arcanists are eligible for substantial rewards. A system the guild is currently discussing in depth. Yet another cost we endure for the safety of Realm and Kingdom. Such rewards may include:

Grants for specific research/studies
Wands and scrolls at incredible prices, or free
Care packages to encourage them along a path of responsible arcana
Earnable Degrees
A sense of community, dismissing the divide between arcanists like the precepts and many mossmere apprentices clutched onto.
One on one training or arcane councel

Should one go out of their way to not register after multiple attempts, then that tells us there may be suspicious activity already at play and would warrant investigation.

It allows us to keep track of those capable in doing certain crimes when we coordinate with investigation on such matters, creating a more efficient process which in the end saves lives, resource and time.

It is common for Kingdoms to have an Arcane Registry, arcanists are generally uncommon, however the reoccurring crop regarding Children of the weave or those with latent abilities have complicated matters, yet we remain determined to document anything and everything.

As for changing it to fourth circle casters and above, I disagree. Those able to cast a fireball and destroy buildings or groups of innocence I believe would qualify, a great variety belonging to the third circle and above. This would also include the infamous spell "Animate Dead" and so many others that could reap destruction.

If your interest is to empower the registry through precise and fair law, then you have my blessing. But you'd have an easier time defeating a polar bear with snowballs than convincing me it should be removed. I'd suggest as follows:

Arcane casters capable of third circle spells and above are required to register their talents with the authorities. Early registration is welcome and encouraged

Divine spell casters are not required to register, as they're governed. Clerics and paladins are governed by the local churches, druids and rangers are governed by the Wildwalkers.

Kindly,

~Guildmaster Finley Copperfield

V-Rage

And it is this what I'm against.

Wizards Choose to learn magic

Sorcerers are born with it and may not understand it yet you would thrust registration upon them

Though this is the law already it doesn't mean I have to like it

Michael

Seter

What would you propose, Laypriest Dupont, as middle ground?

Signed,

Lord Mordecai of House Cormaeril
Divine Champion of the Divine Right, Siamorphe
Head of House Chapter in the region of Arabel
Ruler of Immersea
Knight of the Realm of Arabel

V-Rage

As I've said

only registering those who commit crimes using their magic malicously is a fine middle ground

Michael

Puffy

The Arcane Guild has been anointed to register arcane Spellcasters capable of third circle spells and above. It is not a punishment, it is a register of the arcane talents of this Kingdom. It will not be used to discriminate between arcanists, and it will not be used as an insult or punishment.

The Arbiter of Arabel

Seter

Forgive my bluntness, Laypriest Dupont,

If we take the foul Izereth as an example, given her many crimes. Do you believe registry would have helped in her case after she already committed all her crimes?

A registry is intended to be a preemptive measure. Registering someone after they already butchered the populace is alas not preemptive.

Signed,

Lord Mordecai of House Cormaeril
Divine Champion of the Divine Right, Siamorphe
Head of House Chapter in the region of Arabel
Ruler of Immersea
Knight of the Realm of Arabel

Puffy

@Ruler said in Spellcaster Registration:

Arcane casters capable of third circle spells and above are required to register their talents with the authorities. Early registration is welcome and encouraged
Divine spell casters are not required to register, as they're governed. Clerics and paladins are governed by the local churches, druids and rangers are governed by the Wildwalkers.

Discuss the writing, else this will be final.

The Arbiter of Arabel

@Puffy

Although I have personal dislike of targeting only Arcane spellcasters, this does meet the intent of justice. Divine and Natural spellcasters have a code of some kind that governs their magic. A code that can be predictable in many cases based on their faith and aspect of nature they emulate. The very nature of the arcane requires no code of ethics, merely skill or talent to harness it. This is a more creative way of balancing the scales, that I did not foresee in my initial assessment. I have no further issue with this as written.

-Morpheus Frosthelm

Prof. Misclick

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