Mister Frosthelms Draft:
Summoning the Occult:
Summoning intelligent outsiders from any realm, aberrations, or undead spirits. Those caught leading or controlling occult minions will be arrested immediately. In extreme cases, the sentences may be considered Capital. These cases usually include city assaults facilitated by the summoning of the occult. This does not include extra-planar creatures such as infernally tainted animals, but rather applies to powerful sentient extra-planar creatures that pose a serious risk to life and property. Those witnessed to be in the non-hostile company of an intelligent being of the occult(and not busy destroying them, fleeing from them, etc) can be assumed to be under extreme suspicion of having made a Pact or criminal association, and will be investigated as such.
Quotes from others files:
Laypriest Dupont:
@V-Rage said in Morpheus's Draft:
Mostly good.
I'm against some of these though.
Namely the fact beings from higher planes such as Celestia would be included in this Summoning the Occult.
Whilst it shouldn't be done lightly there can be times Summoning celestials could be helpful such as expeditions into Deadwell to clear the undead.
Mister Frosthelm:
On summoning celestials, have you seen what happened to Eveningscar? Mortals should not have any right or responsibility to summon powerful, sentient outsiders. I would not trust that with anyone outside of the High Clergy of a church, with the approval of the crown. Someone thought releasing a celestial on the Cyricists was a good idea and it lead to pandemonium that we are still cleaning up. I would not, in good conscience, recommend anyone doing that again, even to Deadwell.
-Morpheous
My opinion, dare I say strong opinion on the matter is this.
Under no circumstances should summoning sentient outsiders be permissible or without -serious- punishment. In an effort to make for a fruitful discussion I will cast aside the recent example Belon has provided us with from historic events.
Let us consider deadwell as Laypriest Dupont suggests. Deadwell consists of mostly non sentient undeath, sure something may linger in the darkest corner of the crypts below but the undead that plague that land have obvious intentions and limitations, with no strings tied to ambition.
Outsiders do not share these qualities. To summon or create any means for sentient outsiders(yes even celestials) to conquer a land in hopes it is cured from undeath is flawed in more ways than one. We cannot assume:
- That they have the means(or interest) to cure or weaken curses, such as deadwell
- That they don't have extreme views on what the material plane should look like
- That they share our views on what deserves life, death or judgement
- That they do not have other ambitions or motives that risks realm and kingdom during their visit
"But guildmaster, I am a capable summoner able to control sentient outsiders under my command because I found a book!"
Neato-
But when has it ever stopped there? It has not, nor would it ever. Every summoner has their limitations, none in history would were able to conquer deadwell(or similar examples) with sentient outsiders unless they stretched beyond their limits thus risking the realm and kingdom as a whole.
Saying that we must summon celestials to answer deadwell is an extreme and dangerous measure that lacks creative thought to find ways that do not risk innocent lives.
Some things to note that I find most curious:
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Those who have summoned celestials or permitted others to do so, were those often without a deep understanding of the Arcane(and those that did had villainous intentions). My respect to the rulers before us but they were not arcanists nor experts in the dangers of these extreme measures.
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Adventurers often jump to the most extreme solution to a problem, even if it risks lives. Defending it as the "Only way" when really, it is not nor do they regularly have evidence that would support this.
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Ambition should be accounted for. The same minds that would exploit these powers would not stop there, especially after initial success.
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Imagine the peace the citizens would have knowing we learn from history(belon and others) instead of continuing on and acting as if the lives lost had no lesson.
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Should someone find the means to summon sentient outsiders, it may be the design of one under the guise of an established faith, or any powerful entity giving false promise
Kindly,
~Guildmaster Finley Copperfield