A few thoughts
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I think your Paladin will fit in well with Bhaliir to be honest.
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If you want, we can discuss a concept that is very much along the lines of what you want.
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@a-red-rose That had some parallels with my cleric necromancer in 2015. Ethical, Lawful evil, people knew she did it, just couldn't prove it.
What you're proposing can be done, but you simply need to try. Please consider taking up Spiffy on his offer.
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@a-red-rose said in A few thoughts:
I wasn't expecting so many replies to this thread to he honest.
Thanks to everyone who chimmed in and offered their take.@King-Dobby , regarding your post. This exactly portrays my main problem.
As blunt as that might sound, i am not here to be your player DM. I don't play for your sole enjoyment. I'm not a DM event and my necromancer is not a concept that i thought of in 10 minutes. I want to enjoy my time playing evil as much as you do playing whatever you like to play. As for power, i am most certain a paladin can single handedly eat my undead for breakfast, let's not kid ourselves here.I've been nagged by a lot of people over the years to play Good. I tried, i don't like it. The worst i can come up with is neutral something. Does this mean i have to be FD'ed every week because you want to have fun? I'm not your personal DM.
Concerning chaotic. My favourite flavour is lawful evil and neutral evil. My lawful evil people still override the law sometimes or a lot of the times even. I portrayed that with my paladin that just sucked every single bloodstone she had on her person to complete her task.
Duty, be it divine or otherwise and moral code can override law, it's still lawful behaviour in my eyes, because lawful doesn't necessarily means devotion to law but to live by some code and die for it. Would my paladin offend every law in existence to save Bhalir's life in an assasination attempt? Yes she would.
I can't think of a samurai that would have their hands tied because Cormyr's law prohibited the use of katanas unless their Lord which they served under prohibited their use or something. Anyway...
My most known character in CoA was Scylla Wyrmshield, a fighter / sorc and Tiamat devotee who was with Axeris's crew who was ultimatetly betrayed to the Ecclestian Order by her boyfriend :p Honestly it was the most fun character i ever played anywhere and yes, she was kinda in your face evil (lasted around 1 month along with Axeris)
I'm still very proud that i've got to RP her and she earned me several "accolades" to the hall of fame. I still remember all the people who sent me "good show, good RP" during the execution.
So again. Don't you think i deserve to have fun too? I just don't want to get FD'ed every week and have someone to RP and quest with.
Anyway, my main points are.
I don't want to be bored, but it's ok if everyone hates me and wants to kill me at some point. But don't make that point a single encounter and immediate execution. Find some excuses to give me RP. Honestly i ever only FD'ed 1 person while in CoA and i was playing pure evil all the time. And that was by mistake lol.I'm here to have as much fun as you that you play your lawful good paladin swinging rainbow coloured swords. Please note i said fun, not IC acceptance or power.
The problem here seems to be expectations. They are very important to manage. Your expectation is to play an incredibly evil concept (necromancing is one of the most evil deeds in existence) and expect things to not turn ugly. This is a world where you are playing with others and you and your character are not a central focus point in the server's story. Your actions have consequences and realizing these 2 aspects is one of the most eye opening moments one can have on a server like this.
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Just because you reject the law doesn't mean it isn't going to come bite you =)
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I don't think you really understand what i'm trying to say here. You probably tl;dr my post and only focused on something you didn't like.
I'm ready to get PVP'ed and at some point FD'ed, you can hate me IC. I'm ok with going to prison. I actually RPed a 3 hour torture session from the Eccelstian Order and got kudos for playing the prisoner well.
What other consequences should i be accepting of?
What i'm trying to say here is that because i mainly play evil i shouldn't be condemned to short lived PCs or be incresibly bored with no people to quest with, unless i make a homicidal Tallassan and although that sounds fun to me, i wouldn't expect to live long in that case. -
I read it, and i agree, you can be as evil as you want to be. It all depends on what your char does IG. But you're right and wrong. Right that being evil should not lead to a short char. Wrong that if you do terrible deeds like necromancy, you just may get killed or executed for it if you're stupid/reckless about it. You only have a 50% or so control over what happens to your character, which are your actions. The other 50% will be the reaction of your fellow players and DMs.
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Old Town is a player sandbox. Anyone but the militia/pds can go in. The latter two cannot for a mix of ic and IOC reasons. Mostly to help fun and shit.
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Joe, your a good guy but your way too negative my brother.
I feel like your always trying to find a way to say no instead of a way to say yes.
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Plus if you don't like nobles there, Handle it IC
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Yes, who is gonna stop you? The law? Lulz
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Indeed, the law will not stop you in Old Town.
Even if the Bane Boys beat you up, we have never turned a single person in to the Militia and still wouldn't do it.
We would literally stand by and watch if you robbed some guy in the street as long as they weren't one of ours.
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Also there are plenty of Chaotic characters active in Noble Houses. I don't know about Bhaliir, but literally half of the Rowanmantle Retainers (lol) are Chaotic-aligned. And Wyvernspur prefers Chaotic-aligned characters.
It's not so much being Chaotic that's the issue.
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Any noble in Old Town will be risking their life, but they can reduce the risk with the aid of PCs/Alliances/Bribing/etc.
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A chaotic evil character embodies everything a noble does not. The chaotic PC only values strength and intimidation, they will never respect those weaker than them and will fear those stronger than them. They take what they want and damn the consequences.
A chaotic neutral character does whatever they want, if the law suits them they'll follow it if one day it doesn't they'll break it they just want to do what they want whenever they want.
A chaotic good character cares that everyone has basic freedom and that goodly practices reign over evil ones. They value their freedom but are less likely to act unlawfully than the other two but will still do it.
That's how I see chaos in its roughest mold.
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Then I think the problem is that you have too narrow an understanding of what "Chaotic" means. But to each their own I suppose. (That was for JoeK not for Smilingdog, we posted at the same time).
The Nobility are not the Militia and the PDs. Those are entirely different things. No one squabbles and inter-fights as much as the Militia and the PDs, and individual Noble Houses also gets in on that squabbling. It's not a huge uniform block that always gets along.
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Robin Hood was loyal to King Richard the Lionheart. In some of the earliest stories he was just about a partisan for the "true King" and upheld his right to rule in the face of oppression by the "false King". That does not make his actions any less Chaotic Good.
If you're against nobles walking around in Old Town, beat them up. Get a bunch of people together and beat them up as a group. Nobles are not the same as PD or Militia, that's just not the case. Nor do I think you're correct in assuming the PDs or the Militia would just be alright with nobility attacking people willy-nilly (or, for that case, how interested nobility is in doing that).
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Which film? There's like a million of them. Some of the original stories of Robin Hood are specifically about a commoner fighting for the restoration of the True King and against the depredations of the tyrant who currently sits on the throne. The assumption is that the True King would make everything better for the peasants, so Robin Hood is alright with breaking the laws and strictures of the tyrant since he considers them illegitimate, and they are portrayed as such in the stories as well.
It's pretty clear that there are some fundamental aspects of the Law/Chaos axis that we don't really agree on. Not much that can be done about that, it's a common problem with the rather simplistic system D&D makes use of. Still, I'm definitely not sold on the idea that Chaotic concepts don't work on CoA, based on the fact of what I've seen. There are plenty of Chaotic concepts that have thrived. I've played Chaotic concepts that have thrived. But when your concept includes an invitation to constant opposition, there's going to be constant opposition (and that's not a bad thing, I mean, you want to have opposition otherwise things are boring).
And yeah, we're definitely playing different games, because I don't agree with you at all on that. Though I'd prefer not to talk about specific incidents since those can be discussed to hell and back, and you're never gonna get every perspective on the matter (and that's the whole point).
If you want something to exist in the game, make it exist. Get people together, get them organized. Get them angry. That's how you affect change in the game-world.
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@edinsumar said in A few thoughts:
Nor do I think you're correct in assuming the PDs or the Militia would just be alright with nobility attacking people willy-nilly (or, for that case, how interested nobility is in doing that).
In the past during v3 and v4, nobility who freely attacked commoners were nobility who found themselves in prison, stripped of nobility or even executed.
Being a noble gives a lot of power on CoA but the King will NOT take it lightly if the position is abused, and the other nobility demand he do something lest they're all penalized by the position being degraded by somebody ruining it for them.
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@joekickass as far as I know, the reason you're being threatened has just about zero yo do with the fact that you're playing an Old Towner or Chaotic character and just about everything to do with the way that your character acts.
You can't want to play a character who says "to hell with the establishment and the status quo" and then assume that the ones who have vested interest in those things will just leave you alone when you're flaunting it.
Though in one of the cases I think you're referring to, your character getting in trouble had literally nothing to do with any of that either. It was an ethical disagreement that was mostly had woth your character and ANOTHER Chaotic aligned character.