DM Announcement RE: Favortism Et Al.
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RE: favourtism.
I think the reason some people feel they are ignored, and others are favoured is simply because some players just have a greater ability to create and play interesting and engaging characters.
That's just the way it is. I can think of four specific players just off the top of my head that have made one gripping character after another. These characters don't just drive plots and act as enablers for other peoples plots. They inspire me to at least try and up my own game a bit. But there will be people who interpret it as them being favoured by DMs which is really just not the case.
If you try to think of it as a meritocracy where the DMs dont actually owe you a damn thing then it will probably be a start.
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Axiom, Lanfear, I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here. You are preaching that the DM's are evil (they aren't), and that you plan to avoid them at all costs…but if you truly believe that, why would you want to play on a server like that? Do you think that there is going to be some giant player revolt where we all fly to individual dms houses, take them out, and live in a DM free Arabel happily ever after? I can tell you as someone who has argued with the dms, disagreed with the dms, been hated by a few dms, that they do not go out of their way to kill people they don't like. They just avoid them. Unfortunately, we as a community like to involve everyone, so sometimes they will run into you because they are, in their opinion and generally that of the players around you, creating fun.
You guys seem alright, and I've never had a problem with you ig, but this attitude is only going to make you outcasts. You obviously like the server, or you wouldn't be here. How about trying to figure out what makes you think that way and sorting it out with the DMs? Really, they are just dudes and ladies like the rest of us, not some omnipresent overlords. And, I would definitely start by saying sorry. Honestly, if you cant do that, I would just walk away now before you get banned, this way when you get your anti-paranoia subscriptions refilled you can come back and join us.
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offensive… no it is not.. what is pffensive is being taken for a moron... what ever we tried to talk to you, you always put us down and you well know i have many exemple of such dm attitude, i just dont want to add exemple as it would become tedious and very long... plus as being toxic... that is also a load of bull... first off... a lot of players play with us, and none goes occ with us about anything writen here, probably cuz some would agree but fear the consequence of speaking out loud, then all others who have the courage to do so.. well they do while supporting dm.. so not much fear in doing that.
also remember one thing, when there is no dm around, most players gather togheter and play togheter, as much as when a dm is, my point being, i am far from being toxic for players... but perhaps i am for you dms... but you did run after it, perhaps as much as i run after your ire for speaking my mind... yes this is called speaking his mind.. nothing offenssive here, no insult what so ever appart the fact i do say...i hate playing with dm... but i love playing with pther players who are friends... odd how i can be so close to so many players but so far from dm likability. probably because i play acharacter that doesnt appeal to dm much... but hey.. it s MY character not yours.. i want to play what i feel like playing .. not what you feel i should play
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No insults? you are calling the Dm team griefing bastards who are out to get you. You're actually being a douche and trying to spread the rumor that DMs are spiteful, griefing whankers who sit at home, rub their hands together and make your life miserable. You really need to take a step back.
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Hey guys, I read at lot of the posts here and frankly I see attitudes I have held before as well. I will speak for myself, but here are somethings that helped me. First, in all seriousness take a step back and go do something else for a week or so. Play some WoW, get into Path of Exile, log into EvE. When I get that frustrated with a situation, everything starts looking dark and evil. The ability to rationally accept what people are saying gets really hard.
Second, and this is a hugely important point. Understand that we have a VERY limited form of communication, the written word. There are tons of study to show that a lot of the ways humans communicate is in the tone of our voices and body language. All of that is stripped out here with only text. The result, when I get frustrated about something I tend to project that frustration onto the responses of others. Why? Because those other portions of human communication are missing when we are reduced to text and so our brains tend to read more into the text than is there.
Ok, so now I was calmed down and the great question of how to move forward came about. I had two very eye opening experiences in regards to DMing. First, I tried to DM for a small group of friends in a PnP format session with NwN. The result? I got a little bitty taste of what our DMs see. They are one DM on a DM client trying to control a very chaotic encounter involving multiple players doing lots of different actions. Shit happens that is not intentional, NPCs get critical hits you hadnt planed on, you had a game plan that the players ran in every direction but the one set out, etc.
The other eye opening experience actually came on another server when I was playing in a faction there. The faction had gained control and was trying to rule an area. There were other factions working either against us or neutral. It was SHOCKING how those other people reacted to events. It didnt matter what it was, they tended to take the worst possible view and run full tilt with it. Now that was all well and good because it was all IC, however it got me thinking in regards to DMs. That was not just IC acts but a bit of human nature. It made me take a step back and look over some of the assumptions I had made in the past as a player (as opposed to IC).
To wrap all of this up, accidents can happen. The DMs have provided a sandbox for us to play in but it does have some roofs and walls. Without them it would be a lot less fun and immersive. Dont assume the worst when something bad happens. If you are very very frustrated, best thing to do is to take a step back for a bit. After that reach out to the DMs. I have always found them helpful as long as you approach them respectfully.
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offensive… no it is not.. what is pffensive is being taken for a moron... what ever we tried to talk to you, you always put us down and you well know i have many exemple of such dm attitude, i just dont want to add exemple as it would become tedious and very long... plus as being toxic... that is also a load of bull... first off... a lot of players play with us, and none goes occ with us about anything writen here, probably cuz some would agree but fear the consequence of speaking out loud, then all others who have the courage to do so.. well they do while supporting dm.. so not much fear in doing that.
also remember one thing, when there is no dm around, most players gather togheter and play togheter, as much as when a dm is, my point being, i am far from being toxic for players... but perhaps i am for you dms... but you did run after it, perhaps as much as i run after your ire for speaking my mind... yes this is called speaking his mind.. nothing offenssive here, no insult what so ever appart the fact i do say...i hate playing with dm... but i love playing with pther players who are friends... odd how i can be so close to so many players but so far from dm likability. probably because i play acharacter that doesnt appeal to dm much... but hey.. it s MY character not yours.. i want to play what i feel like playing .. not what you feel i should play
But you play the server we create and insult us and lie about us.
It is like coming into my home and claiming I'm trying to poison you because you don't enjoy my cooking.
My response in both situation is the same.
Please leave. Do not return until you have more manners. You were a guest in CoA, nothing more.
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lol douche… really ... lol.. i didnt know people here could say such thing and get away with it... as for my own writing here, having a opinion from my experience of play doesnt constitute any insult but basic experince description of my feelings... you on the other hand are quick to judge witout any knowledge of the problem i have personaly faced... but you know assuming is a trend now a day.. so keep assumingyou will go far in life this way.
ohhh ok so now i also lie about dm.... lol... that is the funniest post i have read yet lol.. anyway.. lol at least this made my day lol
you know, to be more accurate you should wrote something like ''It is like coming into my home and claiming I'm trying to poison you because you don't enjoy my cooking.'' well in my case your cooking wasnt poisoned but was overcook, spiced up to dispplease me, so keep your dinner to yourself, as for comming back to coa, not likely for a while
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your probably lright.. am gone stop play for a time .. i ddint play alote recently aneways…..
and Cityzen Bane : I never... ever... call the dms team bastard or something like this.. i never insulting no one...
..for someone who call us douch.. i am not shure what it mean.. i know what is a douch bag.. so i presume you juste insult us..
Now Molock.. : you call us liar ????.. wow.. why i will wast time to lie here ???..If you not able to take critics.. dont ask ... that all..
once again.. the dms team do a great job when it about creating new tools.. stuff.. mechanicly...as new weapon.. new quests.. sumuns...etc... all of this is great...
and this post was about to discuss about Favortism so i was tinking i can give my opinion.. and my opinion is the dms do favorrtism. not only with magic stuff or attention.. but also to make some players lifes miserable compar of others.....
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wow.. why i will wast time to lie here ???..
Why would I waste my time targeting specific players and trying to make them have a bad time?
The answer is, I don't, actually, I wasted a lot of time trying to help you guys. I'm not sure why I did that now.
Maybe it was because I don't do favoritism, and try and help players who come here no matter how they play.
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man … that insane... last things you tell me (Zool) was if i ddint want to play with dms it can be possible.. .. i remember.. you write..it.. i repeat.. you said.. if you realy dont want be involve and play with dms.. it can be done...
so after this.. i ddint get any dms attention or any dms signe.... and i was happy.. i creat a character... name Sheltan... and reach the 10 level without dying ...Sheltan never go in the fugue.. and am almost 11 level now... and last night.. my Friend Dratz make a sending for the Kantea encien bears...
peoples who know us come...and a Dm come too.. why ???.. it not like it someone els who make the sending... it was Dratz.. and Dms know Dratz and me dosent like your definition of dming or having fun... But DM come... and Dratz die.. swarmed by 2 druids , 2 tigers 1 or two dire bears and couple of wild pigs... There not anuf players for we can play whitout get trouble with you guys?... we was 23 online last night... and we was 6 in the Kantea quest... and it was Dratz who make the sending.... what els can i said more...
juste leave us alone... please...
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man … that insane... last things you tell me (Zool) was if i ddint want to play with dms it can be possible.. .. i remember.. you write..it.. i repeat.. you said.. if you realy dont want be involve and play with dms.. it can be done...
so after this.. i ddint get any dms attention or any dms signe.... and i was happy.. i creat a character... name Sheltan... and reach the 10 level without dying becose i do not go in dms game and avoid trouble......Sheltan never go in the fugue.. and am almost 11 level now... and last night.. my Friend Dratz make a sending for the Kantea encien bears...
peoples who know us come...and a Dm come too.. why ???.. it not like it someone els who make the sending... it was Dratz.. and Dms know Dratz and me dosent like your definition of dming or having fun... But DM come... and Dratz die.. swarmed by 2 druids , 2 tigers 1 or two dire bears and couple of wild pigs... There not anuf players for we can play whitout get trouble with you guys?... we was 23 online last night... and we was 6 in the Kantea quest... and it was Dratz who make the sending.... what els can i said more...
juste leave us alone... please...
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Wish granted. The DMs will leave you alone, you will leave us alone.
You have been banned from this server. When you are ready to drop the bizarre belief that we're out to ruin your fun, and you're ready to play with us on our server instead of insult our integrity, you may ask to return and be a guest here again.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, or to even disagree. We have always asked you do so agreeably though, without lying about how DMs aim to kill you. It is one thing to say "hey, in this isolated event and if I'm being honest once or twice before, it seemed like you were overly aggressive about trying to kill people in our party" but going to the extreme of saying "you're just horrible DMs, all 12 of you are really just out to ruin our fun and we just want you to leave us alone" while you're sitting their still enjoying all the hard work we put into the community–no, that's just beyond rude and doesn't have a place here.
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Moloch, thank you.
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I don't want to defend Azazel here, but banning from the game for a couple of bitter forum posts doesn't sound right. Especially in a thread where OP stated that "the DM Team is very supportive of openness and direct discussion". Seems to defeat the point of this thread.
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I don't want to defend Azazel here, but banning from the game for a couple of bitter forum posts doesn't sound right. Especially in a thread where OP stated that "the DM Team is very supportive of openness and direct discussion". Seems to defeat the point of this thread.
I'm just saying.There is always more to every story, dire fish. And bitter forum posts aren't the entire story there.
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There's ''openness and direct discussion'' and there is ''ridiculous, toxic conspiracy theories''
If Moloch hadn't done it I would have done.
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Direfish, it was more than a couple of bitter forum posts. It was for consistently lying and insulting the DM team here.
It was for a toxic hostility to the server that was actually hurting the server. He spread his lies and mistrust to other players, talking in game about how to watch out for DMs and their nastiness.
He's welcome to drop that attitude and come back if he wants. But my analogy is this:
A guest in my home is welcome to tell me my cooking is terrible and suggest improvements. A guest in my home who claims I've tried to poison him and destroy his happiness, but who insists he should still have full access to my kitchen as long as I stay away from him, is no longer really someone I need in my home.
Hope that makes a bit more sense.
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It does. I appreciate the clarification.
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I think this thread should be locked for the DM's have given their full explanation from their part and any further debate on this topic is a real waster if players are still not able to comprehend what is being discussed. 12 years or more ?..DM's have worked on the setting both creatively and technically to make this an immersive world to have fun and these are real people with life and they spend time to create fun along with participating in it. I do not know if the donation from the player is even coming near to hosting this server, so the answer is ..there are people who have immense passion in what they are doing even after so many years to keep COA going. From a player perspective what is our justification other than being selfishly enjoying this world ?
Last year, I know two dm's, they were couples, dont want to name them, were doing a great job helping players into their plots, was surprised to know that one was awake the whole night till 6 AM for running a plot of mine. two days after, the same DM was hurt as to how players were complianing and whining. not surpringly they quit.
I personally dont want this to happen, no matter who the DM is, if as a player you are going to complain, ask yourself what have i given to the server before justifying such a whining. for all those whiners the answer for the question will be pretty straightforward and one hitting the face "just shut &() up"
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Amazing job on the DM's part keeping things together.
I agree, this thread has served it's purpose and is on far reaching tangents by this point.
Thank you for the opportunity to have the discussion, lets focus the energy on something creative now!