@Orin1234 That would remove any way for players to stop people from being able to get up while no DM is there.

The system isn't broken, so why are we trying to "fix" it?

@Zap Having a bank also encourages literally every criminal PC to make one of their goals be "rob the bank". I'm pretty sure this has happened in CoA's past. I remember a certain DM complaining about it.

@onlylobo Generally scummy tactics beget scummy tactics. i.e. If one team invis ganks another, they should expect the same in return. If one team stockpiles win buttons, so will the other.

Villains, criminals and bandits have always had an admirable level of restraint when it comes to mechanical pvp, both granting their targets one or more "outs" during initiation (as Listen described) or only stealing a token amount of gold/consumables in the outcome.

I have played CoA for 9 years and will +1 everything @Zap @listen4silence @Cadiz and @Ruler have said so far.