Paladin of Kossuth
21 tonne giant last edited by
Stemming from Dond's ''Ask A DM'' question:
Says here Kossuth can be LG, why can't he have paladins?
Because CamaNoob said so
Broken Gunblade last edited by
Same reason why Helm can't have Paladins.
Ah.. wait. Stoopid 3E.
It's something silly like he's 2 steps away from LG rather than 1.
Kossuth was LN at first, then became TN.
He can have clerics of all alignments except CE and CG.
A God's alignment has to be one step from LG to be able to sponsor paladins. Oghma and Gond, for example, can have clerics of ANY alignment, but being TN, they don't have paladin orders either.
The exceptions to this rule are Sune and Corellon Larethian (who are CG but sponsor paladin orders.)
The only exceptions to the 1 step rule are Corellion and Sune
Just out of curiosity - what's the source for the LG Paladin of Corellon thing? Or is it a custom rule for CoA?
Because the only paladins of Corellon I remember in the sourcebooks (admittedly it's been a long, long time) were the CG variant "paladins of freedom", not LG ones.
It's not a custom CoA thing, it's FR canon as far as I know.
Corellon supports paladins so that elves get to be paladins. All their Gods are chaotic, so someone had to wear the "Freedom isn't free" T-Shirt.
I don't get why Sune does, though.
Yup, FR Lore as started in the FRCS.
Sune allows them because of the "Romantic Ideal" of the holy warior of purity and justice.
Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting says only LG, LN, NG deities have paladins + Sune. No mention of Corellon.
I don't mind - hell, I don't even play CoA any more - was just wondering where this rule originated from. I've never seen it viewed as canon anywhere else.
Probably in some supplement. There's a million of those.
Yeah, they're mentioned - but only as CG variants.
The FRCS was obviously published before the other FR supplements, so it lists the deities for the original LG paladin type.
Huh, its true, Sune is the only exception I can find in the books…
Perhaps Corellion was a CoA house rule so that Elves had a deity to be paladins of without being lame and following pathetic human gods.
Fellowship of the Forgotten Flower
The fellowship is a loosely structured organization made of elven knights dedicated to the recovery of lost elven relics from long-abandoned realms. Members must be elven warriors or paladins.
So I guess he can have paladins
khammy last edited by
Actually, the FR supplement Demihuman Deities makes no mention of paladins, so not sure how the wiki got that:
I just downloaded the book and copy/paste the entry:
Affiliated Orders: Corellon is the divine patron of many
knightly orders, many of which claim to trace their heritage and
membership hack to the Time of Flowers. Such orders are typically
composed largely of crusaders, warriors, and wizards
(particularly fighter-mages), but their composition has varied
widely over the millennia and from culture to culture.
Notable orders in ages past have included the Knights of the
Golden Wyrm, the Blade of Sahandrian, the Fey Staghorns, and
the Swords of the Seldarine. On Evermeet, the Wings of
Yathaghera, the Knights of the Alicorn, the Weavers of
Bladesong, and the Vassals of the Reverend Ones are all
pledged to support the Protector in the defense of the Green
Few orders have remained on the mainland of Faerun since
the Retreat began in the Year of Moonfall (1344 DR), but of
those that remain, the Swords of Evereska are the most notable
for their unwavering defense of that alpine vale.
Outside of elven homelands, the most frequently encountered agents of
an elven knightly order belong to the Fellowship of the Forgotten
Flower, a loosely structured organization dedicated to the recovery
of lost elven relics from long-abandoned elven realms.
ArchAngel_G last edited by
The source you are looking for that has paladins of Corellon are in the Races of the Wild book, I believe. Corellon having paladins is not FR specific. It's a general D&D rule, from Greyhawk. If there were any CoA house rule on the matter, it would likely be to exclude paladin's from Corellon much to my chagrin.
P.S. I think paladin's or Corellon even had a special class, but not sure.
KickOutTheJams last edited by
Same reason why Helm can't have Paladins.
Helm can and does have paladins doesnt he? I thought that the Vigilant Eyes were a paladin order.
Delanish last edited by
I always thought that the creator god of a goodly race could have paladins that was the expection, Yondalla, Corellon, Moradin etc
Nikko last edited by
I think this is all current and canon, but don't quote me boy this is pasted from some website:
Sourcebook: The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, excerpt page 25
All paladins of Faerun are devoted to a patron deity, chosen at the start of their career as paladins. Like paladins of other lands, the paladins of Faerun must be both lawful and good. The paladin's deity must be lawful good, lawful neutral, or neutral good. For example, both Helm the Vigilant One (lawful neutral) and Chauntea the Earthmother (neutral good) have lawful good paladin worshippers. Sune, the goddess of beauty, love, and passion, is an exception to the alignment rule, for her followers include paladins even though her alignment is chaotic good. Additional information on the paladins of some of Faerun's religions appears in the Special Paladin Orders sidebar. (( See below. ))
Sourcebook: The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, excerpt page 26
Special Paladin Orders
Sourcebook: Player's Handbook v 3.5, excerpt page 42
Alignment: Paladins must be lawful good, and they lose their divine powers if they deviate from that alignment. Additionally, paladins swear to follow a code of conduct that is in line with lawfulness and goodness.
Sourcebook: Player's Handbook v 3.5, excerpt page 43
Background: No one ever chooses to be a paladin. Becoming a paladin is answering a call, accepting one's destiny. No one, no matter how diligent, can become a paladin through practice. The nature is either within one or not, and it is not possible to gain the paladin's nature by any act of will. It is possible, however, to fail to recognize one's own potential, or to deny one's destiny. Occasionally, one who is called to be a paladin denies that call and pursues some other life instead.
Sourcebook: Player's Handbook v 3.5, excerpt page 44
Code of Conduct: A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class abilities if she ever willingly commits an evil act. Additionally, a paladin's code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who threaten innocents.
Associates: While she may adventure with characters of any good or neutral alignment, a paladin will never knowingly associate with evil characters, nor will she continue an association with someone who consistently offends her moral code. A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.
Sourcebook: Player's Handbook v 3.5, excerpt page 45
Like a member of any other class, a paladin may be a multiclass character, but multiclass paladins face a special restriction. A paladin who gains a level in any class other than paladin may never again raise her paladin level, though she retains all her paladin abilities. The path of the paladin requires a constant heart. If a character adopts this class, she must pursue it to the exclusion of all other careers. Once she has turned off the path, she may never return.
In a funny side note- paladins is one thing that 4th edition got right. Paladins can be any alignment as long as it is the same as their deity's, making them champions of any god.
I had thought Corellon had paladins as well, maybe that's in a special elf book. It was an exception like the Selune exception.
ArchAngel_G last edited by
Can I get clarification from a DM on paladins of Corellon?
golw last edited by
The one step rule is only a guideline, and Sune is not the only exception.
Kossuth has paladins.
Corellon has paladins.
Oghma has paladins.
Arguably any greater deity who can have LG clerics can have paladins.
Arabel used to support all of the above listed, but doesn't anymore, Camanoob is just too new to know.