Elven defence league?!
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I thought Iron Anvil outlasted Bluebeard… went in the hole after bluebeard but still there.
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I thought Iron Anvil outlasted Bluebeard… went in the hole after bluebeard but still there.
From an outsiders perspective, the faction turned into what seemed like a questing buddy group, and while they still had adventure, all the awesome intrigue went away.
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Don't forget that in the Forgotten Realms there is NO inbuilt animosity between Dwarves and Elves, although the two races are very different and have little in common they have no history of conflict or disagreement so on the whole, they tend to get on with each other as well as they do any other race.
This world is not Middle Earth or the Warhammer world where they two races have a long and bitter history of mutual mistrust/hate.
Due to IG happenings, there are some reasons why each race hates each other. Atleast reasons why the dwarves have been nasty to the elves latley :wink:
Yeah, thats why I haven't jumped up and shouted this from the rooftops ;)
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Didn't the Ironwings outlast it's founding player? I swear it had like 3 different leaders during its lifetime.
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I thought Iron Anvil outlasted Bluebeard… went in the hole after bluebeard but still there.
From an outsiders perspective, the faction turned into what seemed like a questing buddy group, and while they still had adventure, all the awesome intrigue went away.
How's that different from Jagged now :p
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@Khamal:
Didn't the Ironwings outlast it's founding player? I swear it had like 3 different leaders during its lifetime.
Was that an elven or a dwarven group?
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@Khamal:
Didn't the Ironwings outlast it's founding player? I swear it had like 3 different leaders during its lifetime.
The Iron Wings weren't an elven or dwarven group. They were founded by an elf, but there's a difference.
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Thanks really appreciate the comments.
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It would make more sense for elves to hate humans, seeing how the Zhents are supposedly looking to expand on elven lands.
Secondly, since most elves are good, I don't think there could be such a thing as an evil elven faction. Granted, there are evil elves, but they are very few.
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It would make more sense for elves to hate humans, seeing how the Zhents are supposedly looking to expand on elven lands.
Secondly, since most elves are good, I don't think there could be such a thing as an evil elven faction. Granted, there are evil elves, but they are very few.
Okay but still a small ammount of evil elves in the Realms usually means a few hundred.
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About 7 elves belong to an elf faction already, though we have problems with the spread of timezones. Starting another one would be counterproductive.
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It would make more sense for elves to hate humans, seeing how the Zhents are supposedly looking to expand on elven lands.
Secondly, since most elves are good, I don't think there could be such a thing as an evil elven faction. Granted, there are evil elves, but they are very few.
Okay but still a small ammount of evil elves in the Realms usually means a few hundred.
elves are magical creatures. Their very bloodline is made of goodness. It affects them very much, in the same way that demon blood affects humans.
Elves might find great distaste in other races, seeing them as inferior. Yet their blood affects them in the same way as lycanthropy turns people evil.
Seriously evil elves, are almost as rare as good afflicted werewolves, good tieflings, evil aasimars, good orcs, or evil satyrs.
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@O'louth:
It would make more sense for elves to hate humans, seeing how the Zhents are supposedly looking to expand on elven lands.
Secondly, since most elves are good, I don't think there could be such a thing as an evil elven faction. Granted, there are evil elves, but they are very few.
Okay but still a small ammount of evil elves in the Realms usually means a few hundred.
elves are magical creatures. Their very bloodline is made of goodness. It affects them very much, in the same way that demon blood affects humans.
Elves might find great distaste in other races, seeing them as inferior. Yet their blood affects them in the same way as lycanthropy turns people evil.
Seriously evil elves, are almost as rare as good afflicted werewolves, good tieflings, evil aasimars, good orcs, or evil satyrs.
I don't know. I consider evil elfs rare and unlikely, but I don't consider them in the same grouping as tieflings and werewolf with strange alignments.
I think there several levels of alignment tendercy…
Incarnate - Demons, angels and fey - They simply can't break it.
Strong push - Half fiends, dragons- They can break it now and again, but its prety much a act of will.
Moderate push - tieflings and werewolfs - They will do things of there alignment, however they can act otherwise if they try hard enough... but are prety dam unlikely to have that desire. Even then there unlikely to do enough to be considered more than a step or two away from defult.
Weak push - Elfs and orcs - They feel a pull towards certin actions. Members a step away are common, but members who are 180 dergrees are very very rare.
However theres also the culture effect. Not only orcs bias towards CE. They have a powerfull god (who created them!) who there fathers father folowed, who tell them to be CE.
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This argument against evil elves is silly. Yes, it's true that elves are a over all goodly aligned race, but they also have a looooooong history that DOES include violence. The crown wars, various uprisings of Evermeet and more commonly known Myth Drannor.
Also, elves don't HAVE to think they are superior to other races! In fact, largely the reason elves seem so flighty to the short lived races is because elves find it difficult to build good strong relationships with beings that will die in a mere 5-7 decades (Less than 10% of their life time). IT'S NOT BECAUSE ELVES ARE BETTER! It's because elves are emotional and don't want to feel "hurt".
Finally, a faction of evil elves makes PERFECT sense, if you know what source to read. Sure they may be rare, but so are clerics of Velsharoon (Which CoA has seen a fair amount of). At least evil elves break a cliche and offer something new.
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@O'louth:
elves are magical creatures.
I don't really see where this is coming from. They're Humanoids with no innate magical abilities, and no exceptional skill at learning magic. Worse: it takes them tens of times longer to master a spell than a human, so they apparently have less of a gift for it.
Why are they more magical than any other Humanoid race?Also, I second everything Alice said.
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@O'louth:
elves are magical creatures.
I don't really see where this is coming from. They're Humanoids with no innate magical abilities, and no exceptional skill at learning magic. Worse: it takes them tens of times longer to master a spell than a human, so they apparently have less of a gift for it.
Why are they more magical than any other Humanoid race?Also, I second everything Alice said.
Elves are descendants of fey from a realm known as Faerie. They are not natives to Faerune. They aren't magical beings like dragons, but elves have a long history of mastering the Art (And some DO have innate abilities like Star Elves). It does not take them ten times as long to LEARN a spell, but sun elves do have a tendency to spend long amounts of time PERFECTING their Art. They have much more time under their belt for understand magic and are the only beings able to perfect magic to the point of Elven High Magic (Like the kind used to create Evermeet).
Hopefully this answers your question. I would definitely call elves magical creatures.
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Okay but the whole elves are magical and need to follow the Alignment. Drow are still elves and came from the same place. Gnomes are the same as Elves as well, but they have the same free will. The elves coming from their home plane are one thing, but the Elves that were born in Faerun do have that difference.
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Besides all that I red about an interestig difference about FR elves. They have no soul like the other mortal races, they are considered spirits with a mortal body, thus they travel planes essentially when they die to reach Arvandor. I can't remember which book of races it was though. Essentially they refer to spirit instead of their soul.
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@O'louth:
elves are magical creatures.
I don't really see where this is coming from. They're Humanoids with no innate magical abilities, and no exceptional skill at learning magic. Worse: it takes them tens of times longer to master a spell than a human, so they apparently have less of a gift for it.
Why are they more magical than any other Humanoid race?Also, I second everything Alice said.
It comes from 2nd edition when they were actually inherently magical. In Calimshan, there was a standing bounty on elves because the pashas wanted to distil their blood to power their own magics.
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This argument against evil elves is silly
It may be better if you focus on discussing it rather than calling other arguments silly… But whatever. :roll:
they also have a looooooong history that DOES include violence
Violence has nothing to do with being evil, unless the violence is used against innocent people. Else anyone who is a fighter on COA should be evil.
In fact, largely the reason elves seem so flighty to the short lived races is because elves find it difficult to build good strong relationships with beings that will die in a mere 5-7 decades (Less than 10% of their life time). IT'S NOT BECAUSE ELVES ARE BETTER! It's because elves are emotional and don't want to feel "hurt".
Where does that come from?
Finally, a faction of evil elves makes PERFECT sense, if you know what source to read. Sure they may be rare, but so are clerics of Velsharoon (Which CoA has seen a fair amount of). At least evil elves break a cliche and offer something new
What do clerics of Velsharoon have to do with anything? I don't see how this comparison helps. Clerics of Velsharoon may be rare, but they are possible. A faction made of evil elves is simply not possible, unless we are talking about Sun elves, who tend to be LN rather than CG if I'm not mistaken. But then they rarely travel outside their home, so we are back to square one.
However, Let's say for the sake of discussion there is a sizeable number of evil elves who coincidentally happen to be around Arabel at the same time (which would already be unlikely). Why would they all join an elven faction? Remember, they are evil; so they may perfectly not give a rat's ass about defending their kind. They may even betray their race if the reward is big enough!