Roll Play Tokens
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I know there's no such thing as bad RP tokens any more which I personally think is a good thing, but I wondered what benefits good RP tokens conferred on people.
I personally can't get a good RP Token as it seems to me that RP is attached to typing ability and imagination and I'm quite happy with that.
Let me say right here that that is not a bad thing and I really love watching how things develop between accomplished players. I'm very nearly 50 years old with a love of D&D but I can only type with one finger while looking at the keyboard, if you'd said to me typing would ever prove beneficial to me even 10 years ago I'd have laughed.
All that said, what does having a good RP token incur?
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You get a little more XP gained and have a higher hardcap (But people rarely hit that now these days)
TBH most DMs seem to forget they are there.
It's nothing to do with typing ability.
I usually give them to people with gimpy builds doing interesting stuff. These characters will be relatively harmless even at a high level so there is little risk in giving them a token.
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Rewarding people with easier to achieve levels is silly. Reward the good roleplayers with favors like: "Hey, if you'd like to run a certain adventure, I'm available for you this afternoon!". Just making people plain more powerful is not as fun as make the character more flavorful with interesting loot/changes.
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A token basically gives you an ECL of -1. In other words, you will gain xp as if you were one level lower.
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I tend to give them out to the same sort of people that Deadlock does.
And I also reward those same people with interesting loot and hooks into plots. Its not an "either you get loot or an RP token" kinda thing, if I see an epic hero out on an awesome quest* that everyone seems to enjoy I'll give them as much benefit as I can.
The RP token gives some additional exp when you kill things and a very real sign that DMs like what you're doing.
*By quest I don't mean scripted quest. I mean quest in the cool sense of the word, like a quest to kill King Azoun V.
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@Deadlock:
….I usually give them to people with gimpy builds doing interesting stuff. These characters will be relatively harmless even at a high level so there is little risk in giving them a token.
Haha. Thanks for rubbing the brokeness of Welston Alanvil in my face once again good sir!
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I've seen many servers with RP Tokens everyone i hated. Unless Player X is online a silmilar time as DM they won't get an rp token…
I've seen RP Tokens where (You can surpass level five unless you have RP Token 1
You cannot surpass level 9 without RP Token 2
It's really restrictive and for XP bonus for say quests...or just rp bonus every X time can be easily used to powergame with no risk.
As for Gimp..Gimp fine a weakness but over gimp is just stupid (I'm an elven wizard i die if the wind blows with my amazing 12hp at level 9
I'm a Fighter but i have 16 Wisdom and Charimnsa so i can Inspire people and be an excellent tactician and lift my big heavy full plate bastard sword and tower shield with my 11 strength.
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The xp token is a nice little pat on the back, and can help characters that don't quest a great deal keep up somewhat with those that quest more. For characters that tend to die a lot, can help to regain levels more rapidly so they can stay relevant in the game. Flat xp awards and such are nice as well to give that "good job, keep it up" feeling, but I find even better to be the fairly useless bit of loot, that is personalized. I once got a cloak from my faction boss that had my name in the desciption, and even though it was weak, meant much more than the RP token I had.
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Let the good roleplayers have their tokens. It's not really a big difference at all. Levels don't really tend to help gimps anyways. =)
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Let the good roleplayers have their tokens. It's not really a big difference at all. Levels don't really tend to help gimps anyways. =)
You sound so bitter, sir :(
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Let the good roleplayers have their tokens. It's not really a big difference at all. Levels don't really tend to help gimps anyways. =)
No, but the badass custom loot awesome players playing interesting characters tend to get does help level the playing field for players more focused on storytelling then mechanical optimization.
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My opinion on this issue is the following: You must give players less reasons for powerplay and focus their attention to rp.
For example: Some years ago the server haven't so much magic items, armors, weapons, rings, amulets and such… Also, maybe could forbid the multiclassing. I mean, come on guys, why a ranger would have a sneak attack? or a rogue would have the track abillity? Also, i see many clerics start their leves with a fighter or barbarian class so they would have better roll attacks. But!!! if you look at the deity part of forums all of them say the same thing!! Example: Clerics of Mask tend to multiclass to Rogues or Assassins and not the other way around.
Of course maybe multiclassing for certain classes should be allowed!
I hope you all understood my point!
I tried to express my opinion the best way i could , feel free to correct my grammar mistakes. Cheers!!! -
Sadly the the most powerful multiclass builds (Fighter/cleric, Ranger/rogue, Fighter/rogue) are also the ones that make the most IC sense and are very easy to justify from a RP PoV.
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How you justify a Ranger/Rogue?
"Ranger: When i was wandering into the woods protecting the falling forests i learned the secret ways of sneak attack?" :?
What i go up against are these: Fighter/Cleric or Barbarian/Cleric or Fighter/Wizard. :!:
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How you justify a Ranger/Rogue?
"Ranger: When i was wandering into the woods protecting the falling forests i learned the secret ways of sneak attack?" :?
What i go up against are these: Fighter/Cleric or Barbarian/Cleric or Fighter/Wizard. :!:
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Because the classes in the forgotten realms are vast and cover alot of different possibilities and combinations.
The Ranger for instance, inst merely a nature lover, or a druid'ish warrior.
While clerics and paladins can be viewed, at least in the lawful good segment of the pantheon, as the preacher / servant of the god, and the paladins as the militant arm and embodiment of goodness, the same connection isnt necessarily true in regards to the druids and rangers.
The ranger class covers, due to limited resources, a whole vast of different combinations and concepts.
While it most certainly IS the class to choose when seeking to play a nature warrior, and the more militant approach to the whole druid / nature concept pool, it also covers:
The bounty hunter.
The Scout
The Urban ranger. Mask is a very valid deity for evil rangers, as they are stalkers of the urban settlements.
The Wanderer / traveller
Caravan guard
Animal tamer and handler. An individual who promotes gladiator matches, could easily be a ranger, as he has the ability and skills necessary to train animals and beasts. This couldnt in any way make him a tree hugging militant bastard however.While most of these concepts do have some sort of link to the non urban world, in terms of travelling, a caravan guard while understanding how nature works, doesnt mean he has to love it, or seek to preserve it.
Now, these are the STAND ALONE concepts I could think of from the top of my hat, of a pure class ranger.
Now, lets add a few multiclasses into the pot.
The Rogue, is the non arcanist version of a Jack of all Trades (which would likely be a bard).
The Rogue class covers not only the scout and thief approach, but is also the closest you can get to the NCP class Expert, and aristocrat, due to its vast number of skills and combinations there off.
A rogue who, instead of focusing on Move silent, Hide, and trap handling, instead focuses on Persuade, Intimidate, Bluff, Appraise, Lore, Heal, Use Magic Device, would, while still having the sneak attack, would be a whole different concept.In short, just like the ranger covers alot of different angles, so does the rogue. Rogues, due to being jacks of all trade, can portray anything from the lowest level of society thug, cunning thief, to the Master of diplomacy and court life.
Suddenly, the caravan guard/ wanderer approach of the ranger, mixed together with the rogue, could become a travelling merchant.
The Urban ranger mixed with rogue would be a strong candidat for a perfect thief.
If the fighter class is the class best portraying combat training in general, a Fighter/rogue could suddenly be a High society duelist, specialized not in questing, but with the rapier, tunic and parry approach.
What is my point?
Multiclasses make sense, because it allows us to better portray much more than the Priest, Thief, Fighter, Mage concepts of Hero Quest roleplay. and lets us play the cunning aristocrat, the dashing swashbuckler, The Divine Warrior, Tactical genius.
The problem with multiclasses, is when its used to achieve mechanical perfection and superiourity. The Fighter/barbarian never made sense. Its skills vs spirit, its the trained warrior vs the savage one.
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How you justify a Ranger/Rogue?
"Ranger: When i was wandering into the woods protecting the falling forests i learned the secret ways of sneak attack?" :?
What i go up against are these: Fighter/Cleric or Barbarian/Cleric or Fighter/Wizard. :!:
Hunting has been so poor for the last season that I don't know how I will be able to give food to my family. There's only one way, go to the big city and learn a trade there.
Unfortunately no one wants a dirty hunter in their shops. But hey, I could always steal a purse or two, I have to survive havent'I?Btw, the thread is derailing!!!!
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That said, Good roleplaying tokens is the dms reward for consistantly well played characters, that involve others and make the server interesting not only for them, but the server base at large.
A dm can reward with exp, and often do so, when they see someone doing something good. 50 exp there, 200 exp here. Most have seen this, and likely do on a requent basis.
However, the good token, can reward those who, due to pure focus on storytelling, often make it very hard to survive due to non optimized skills/feat/stat combinations.
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That was a big good answer o'louth!!! i will take my time reading it when i got back from work!! :wink:
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Ranger/Rogue - Oli Baba.
I use RP tokens to help out weaker builds and interesting characters, that coupled with custom loot.
