So I tried to introduce my new girlfriend to DnD…
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I painfully explained Str, Dex, Wis, etc.
She was ok with that.I painfully explained the classes.
She found it logical.I explained the dice-rolling, saves and skills.
She nodded her head and screwed up her eyebrows in concentration.I asked her what she wanted to create.
She wanted a highly intelligent physician/doctor type, based on her favorite TV series actor. (she wanted to play a dude)Now. This is where all hell broke loose.
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Cause half-orcs can make good doctors. Duh!
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Give her heal bonus based on intelligence, due to excellent deduction regarding treatment.
I don't see the problem here.
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Well, it's probably because low Wisdom people tend to mess up things a lot more too. How much you know about anatomy is represented through points in Heal, and treating patients has little to do with how many facts you know. You need focus, perception and the right ideas as to how to treat a wound. Hence the Wisdom.
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Anatomy isn't learned by deduction, either. You come to know what's there from experience. Barbers and bone-setters, who were arguably more "effective" than the conventional medicine achieved in the renaissance (as roughly the period that the setting is meant to reflect in many ways), usually had little training in medicine and it was often a skill passed down through generations. While high INT doctors were trying to treat tuberculosis with a bloodletting, the bone-setters were in the countryside treating broken limbs with a few pops and a pig salve based on a few tricks, and had surprising results. I guess it's that it comes down to knowing the individual procedures/remedies instead of deducing an underlying principle to the whole thing that makes it WIS.
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It might also be pertinent that FR is the equivalent of medieval times, and magical medieval times at that.
There is no reason for herb-based healing to evolve into a discipline, when any priest can heal you of anything with a simple prayer. As such, herb-based healing would be a quasi-discipline/intuition kind of thing, the kind of pseudo-science astrology is right now, in the real world.
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lol @ claiming you have a girlfriend while playing CoA
Shame on you.
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Medical knowledge in those days was less about careful calculation based on complex symptoms, tests and so on and more about remedy and the like passed down from others.
Its much more about what you know and not what you can figure out. Memory not deduction.
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Medical practisioner is different from Medical researcher. Deduction from patients illness symptom is key to prescribe the right medicine. That has been there from ancient time. Sometimes Illness are not visible outright physically and thats when wisdom is needed to deduct through feelings and emotions that the subject exhibit.
A doctor may prescribe the right drug to cure..but to make that drug or what components are required to make the drug and how it reacts with the body is a different subject and field.
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I'd say it's there because of the connection that DnD has between Wisdom and perception based skills. Spot, Listen, Sense Motive, Survival, Profession, Heal are all linked to wisdom.
You could justify that "heal" involves being able to tell what is wrong with someone (like a complicated spot check) and drawing from experience how to treat it correctly (a survival or profession type check).
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"Now, all this very large and complicated book written in some outsider language says to do, is to remove the arrow, then use some alchohol to clean this wound and patch you up..well, allright…"
Yanks the arrow out forcefully, litterally pours half a bottle of alchohol onto the wound, then very tightly wraps the wound.
"I guess that's how they did it, or atleast what I got from the book. I used most of the bottle just to be safe. =D"
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speaking as someone who operates in this sort of field daily…
The disgnosis is often a case of intuition (which would best be described as a wisdom based), although there is an amount of learning involved by way of previous experience (skill points spent in the skill).
Then the practical skills and manual dexterity in cases of surgery, or the intellectual knowledge (lore:medicine) in the case of drug treatments.
Very simplified, but i am aware that i use my instinct to start diagnosing patients just from non verbal communication even as they walk through my door.
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@cadiz_stoker:
speaking as someone who operates in this sort of field daily…
The disgnosis is often a case of intuition (which would best be described as a wisdom based), although there is an amount of learning involved by way of previous experience (skill points spent in the skill).
Then the practical skills and manual dexterity in cases of surgery, or the intellectual knowledge (lore:medicine) in the case of drug treatments.
Very simplified, but i am aware that i use my instinct to start diagnosing patients just from non verbal communication even as they walk through my door.
"Family Practice" does not mean working a sweat-shop underground Shaman clinic from your parent's basement. Maybe in the UK…
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I love the way that it is called Practice, as if you don't actually know what you are doing and are just conducting experiments!
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lol @ claiming you have a girlfriend while playing CoA
Shame on you.
Hahaha! Sorry this just cracked me up. But yeah I have had the girlfriends who I say D&D and they look at me and say what is that… I die a little inside all the time
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I introduced mine to NWN. While a dedicated gamer, she didn't even make it out of the tutorial area in the prologue… Needless to say I gave up.
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I have no idea how it is in other countries or cultures. In Denmark however, if you admit you play DnD or like to dress up like an orc, you are shunned.
It goes Rapists < Roleplayers < The wierd guy who occasionally shits himself.
As such, my affection for CoA is one of my most well kept secrets. Perhaps it is because i "only" play CoA, but i do not fall into the usual dnd category. As such, as long as I keep it secret, i can somewhat function in RL -while- playing here.
And there is no way in hell id ever try to introduce my Girlfriend to CoA. She would simply end up playing an evil guy, and i would be cut off from all things fun when i went vigilante on her ass :)
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Nerd/Geek is the new sexy. When someone asks me about D&D I tell them. Girl or no. In fact there was one cute asian girl at this sushi restaraunt I went to. She talked to my table of coworkers for a long time about WoW when I mentioned I played D&D. Her response was "Oh! That's classic nerd!".
Now girls who can actually play it are few and far between.
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@O'louth:
… if you admit you play DnD or like to dress up like an orc, you are shunned.
its not the playing DnD that gets you shunned, its the orc issue.
i suggest therapy and a shopping trip not to the costume store
