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    So I tried to introduce my new girlfriend to DnD…

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      KrodtheMandoon last edited by

      I painfully explained Str, Dex, Wis, etc.
      She was ok with that.

      I painfully explained the classes.
      She found it logical.

      I explained the dice-rolling, saves and skills.
      She nodded her head and screwed up her eyebrows in concentration.

      I asked her what she wanted to create.
      She wanted a highly intelligent physician/doctor type, based on her favorite TV series actor. (she wanted to play a dude)

      Now. This is where all hell broke loose.
      "Why is Heal a Wisdom Based Skill?"

      "Vanos my statuesque love! Your little nugget counts the hours until you nibble on him again! I long to be consumed by your bottomless hunger, send for me soon! - Little Nugget"

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        TheJaggedSoul last edited by

        Cause half-orcs can make good doctors. Duh!

        Character:

        John De'Notrevá: "Through honor, loyalty. Through loyalty, unity. Through unity, strength!"

        A wise man once said: "Less OOC QQ, More IC Pew Pew"

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          Rincewind1 last edited by

          Give her heal bonus based on intelligence, due to excellent deduction regarding treatment.

          I don't see the problem here.

          Smaug - Hoarding Plots since Hobbit.

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            TheJaggedSoul last edited by

            Well, it's probably because low Wisdom people tend to mess up things a lot more too. How much you know about anatomy is represented through points in Heal, and treating patients has little to do with how many facts you know. You need focus, perception and the right ideas as to how to treat a wound. Hence the Wisdom.

            Character:

            John De'Notrevá: "Through honor, loyalty. Through loyalty, unity. Through unity, strength!"

            A wise man once said: "Less OOC QQ, More IC Pew Pew"

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              H last edited by

              Anatomy isn't learned by deduction, either. You come to know what's there from experience. Barbers and bone-setters, who were arguably more "effective" than the conventional medicine achieved in the renaissance (as roughly the period that the setting is meant to reflect in many ways), usually had little training in medicine and it was often a skill passed down through generations. While high INT doctors were trying to treat tuberculosis with a bloodletting, the bone-setters were in the countryside treating broken limbs with a few pops and a pig salve based on a few tricks, and had surprising results. I guess it's that it comes down to knowing the individual procedures/remedies instead of deducing an underlying principle to the whole thing that makes it WIS.

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                Relonor last edited by

                It might also be pertinent that FR is the equivalent of medieval times, and magical medieval times at that.

                There is no reason for herb-based healing to evolve into a discipline, when any priest can heal you of anything with a simple prayer. As such, herb-based healing would be a quasi-discipline/intuition kind of thing, the kind of pseudo-science astrology is right now, in the real world.

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                • caek
                  caek last edited by

                  lol @ claiming you have a girlfriend while playing CoA

                  Shame on you.

                  Useless Git

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                    Hinty last edited by

                    Medical knowledge in those days was less about careful calculation based on complex symptoms, tests and so on and more about remedy and the like passed down from others.

                    Its much more about what you know and not what you can figure out. Memory not deduction.

                    Warning: May contain traces of Sarcasm.

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                      shonmann last edited by

                      Medical practisioner is different from Medical researcher. Deduction from patients illness symptom is key to prescribe the right medicine. That has been there from ancient time. Sometimes Illness are not visible outright physically and thats when wisdom is needed to deduct through feelings and emotions that the subject exhibit.

                      A doctor may prescribe the right drug to cure..but to make that drug or what components are required to make the drug and how it reacts with the body is a different subject and field.

                      –---------------------------------------------
                      Sergeant Ricardo Snyden

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                        Invalid_Character last edited by

                        I'd say it's there because of the connection that DnD has between Wisdom and perception based skills. Spot, Listen, Sense Motive, Survival, Profession, Heal are all linked to wisdom.

                        You could justify that "heal" involves being able to tell what is wrong with someone (like a complicated spot check) and drawing from experience how to treat it correctly (a survival or profession type check).

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                          Swifty Willownall last edited by

                          "Now, all this very large and complicated book written in some outsider language says to do, is to remove the arrow, then use some alchohol to clean this wound and patch you up..well, allright…"

                          Yanks the arrow out forcefully, litterally pours half a bottle of alchohol onto the wound, then very tightly wraps the wound.

                          "I guess that's how they did it, or atleast what I got from the book. I used most of the bottle just to be safe. =D"

                          Scott Keellip - White Knight, killed by Drow
                          Sir William the Fearless - Fearless! and nice.
                          Vardix - Black Dragon cultist. Also killed by Drow.
                          Nihlos Carver - Fear the Reaper
                          Argun The Dawnhammer - Strongman of Lathander

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                          • Cadiz
                            Cadiz last edited by

                            speaking as someone who operates in this sort of field daily…

                            The disgnosis is often a case of intuition (which would best be described as a wisdom based), although there is an amount of learning involved by way of previous experience (skill points spent in the skill).

                            Then the practical skills and manual dexterity in cases of surgery, or the intellectual knowledge (lore:medicine) in the case of drug treatments.

                            Very simplified, but i am aware that i use my instinct to start diagnosing patients just from non verbal communication even as they walk through my door.

                            Zool's rule - don't be a dick.

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                            • Pandemonium
                              Pandemonium last edited by

                              @cadiz_stoker:

                              speaking as someone who operates in this sort of field daily…

                              The disgnosis is often a case of intuition (which would best be described as a wisdom based), although there is an amount of learning involved by way of previous experience (skill points spent in the skill).

                              Then the practical skills and manual dexterity in cases of surgery, or the intellectual knowledge (lore:medicine) in the case of drug treatments.

                              Very simplified, but i am aware that i use my instinct to start diagnosing patients just from non verbal communication even as they walk through my door.

                              "Family Practice" does not mean working a sweat-shop underground Shaman clinic from your parent's basement. Maybe in the UK…

                              Signatures? We don't need no stinking Signatures!

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                              • Cadiz
                                Cadiz last edited by

                                I love the way that it is called Practice, as if you don't actually know what you are doing and are just conducting experiments!

                                Zool's rule - don't be a dick.

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                                • ArchAngel_G
                                  ArchAngel_G last edited by

                                  @Caek:

                                  lol @ claiming you have a girlfriend while playing CoA

                                  Shame on you.

                                  I've done it

                                  "Life is a game that is meant to be played."
                                  "Anything which lessens our distress at being surrounded by chaos gives us pleasure." - Anthony Storr
                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk56VxaeqEQ&feature=related

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                                  • dripster13
                                    dripster13 last edited by

                                    @Caek:

                                    lol @ claiming you have a girlfriend while playing CoA

                                    Shame on you.

                                    Hahaha! Sorry this just cracked me up. But yeah I have had the girlfriends who I say D&D and they look at me and say what is that… I die a little inside all the time

                                    Dead/Retired:Drago,Gorf, Warian, West,Elizu, Switch,Sir Micha
                                    Living: Allan Scarlet
                                    peeks under Elizium's robe I found the underdark

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                                    • lillesmurfen
                                      lillesmurfen last edited by

                                      I introduced mine to NWN. While a dedicated gamer, she didn't even make it out of the tutorial area in the prologue… Needless to say I gave up.

                                      Snowball fight! Goooooooooo!

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                                      • O-louth
                                        O-louth last edited by

                                        I have no idea how it is in other countries or cultures. In Denmark however, if you admit you play DnD or like to dress up like an orc, you are shunned.

                                        It goes Rapists < Roleplayers < The wierd guy who occasionally shits himself.

                                        As such, my affection for CoA is one of my most well kept secrets. Perhaps it is because i "only" play CoA, but i do not fall into the usual dnd category. As such, as long as I keep it secret, i can somewhat function in RL -while- playing here.

                                        And there is no way in hell id ever try to introduce my Girlfriend to CoA. She would simply end up playing an evil guy, and i would be cut off from all things fun when i went vigilante on her ass :)

                                        Character: Wouldnt you like to know?
                                        Olouthitis: Character does awesome things for a few months, but inevitability hijacks an air ship and crashes it into an evil faction head quarters screaming battle cries.

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                                        • ArchAngel_G
                                          ArchAngel_G last edited by

                                          Nerd/Geek is the new sexy. When someone asks me about D&D I tell them. Girl or no. In fact there was one cute asian girl at this sushi restaraunt I went to. She talked to my table of coworkers for a long time about WoW when I mentioned I played D&D. Her response was "Oh! That's classic nerd!".

                                          Now girls who can actually play it are few and far between.

                                          "Life is a game that is meant to be played."
                                          "Anything which lessens our distress at being surrounded by chaos gives us pleasure." - Anthony Storr
                                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk56VxaeqEQ&feature=related

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                                            falonthas last edited by

                                            @O'louth:

                                            … if you admit you play DnD or like to dress up like an orc, you are shunned.

                                            its not the playing DnD that gets you shunned, its the orc issue.

                                            i suggest therapy and a shopping trip not to the costume store

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