Bullying
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It should not be allowed bullying, insulting or the like in front of guards or npcs the same way its not allowed to beat someone for the same reason a guard would order to stop or arrest them and a npc could interfere the same way as to stop then trowing of insults or not that would depend of the npc behavior.
Things are seriously going out of reality people are bullying just because they cant get beaten, so if the char is brave enough to trown insults should be in situations where they can suffer consequences, you can show thru rp that you dislike the person but going to insult should not be a situation where you can easily avoid get beaten.
Just my 2 cents // sorry for the poor english
Devin Gaunt
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While I know where you are coming from, and understand exactly how frustrating this can be IC and OOC, one needs to step back and realize one thing.
That is -exactly- how bullying works.
The schoolyard bully tries to provoke someone else, knowing full well that authority will protect him if the person being bullied lashes out.
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I tend to agree with the OP. If I get a shout on the DM channel about someone taunting in front of NPC guards, I've been known to jump to the area and have the guard "take a break", or goad the mouthy one into attacking just to arrest him. There are some dirty guards out there!
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No you really didnt understand, if i am bullyed in front a authority i may chosose beat the hell of the person and i will face the consequences, that would be arrested in Arabel, but i cant do it because i cant beat no one in front a guard or npc, so one side is being favored in this.
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Where I'm from, I can call someone all kinds of names in ear shot of a policeman, and as long as I'm not breaking a law the guy isn't going to arrest me or even ask me to stop.
They might even get a kick out of listening.
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Grab a DM and then beat them up. If its not possible, then beat them up later.
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No you really didnt understand, if i am bullyed in front a authority i may chosose beat the hell of the person and i will face the consequences, that would be arrested in Arabel, but i cant do it because i cant beat no one in front a guard or npc, so one side is being favored in this.
No you really didn't understand my response…
I said first clears throat I tend to agree with the OP. Then I went about explaining how there are often unforeseen consequences for people who abuse NPCs by bullying/taunting/goading people in front of them. Those consequences could include clears throat again the guard randomly walking away so the whooping can commence or possibly the guard turning the tables and goading the original "bullier" until he attacks, then arresting him.
It's lame to misuse NPCs. If you're doing something in front of them that would normally cause them to act, you really need to get a DM.
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Then why who insults dont go grab a dm then?
Bullying thru physicall strenght its a manner of bullying and it works, but no you can insult but to be beat the crap of the person you need a DM?
Same mechanism here for me
And just to inform im not compaining about something that hapenned to me but i had seeing several situations that are really unreal for me.
Now i will stop commenting my own post to let the discussion flow.
Devin Gaun
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HarryMcScary i was talking with the post above you but im a slow writer so when i write yours was there.
sorry for the confusion.
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If the character has some social strength (charisma, skills - especially taunt in this case) then I say go for it. If on the other hand it's Joe "Bloodletter" Shmoe the 8 charisma fighter then chances are the character is riled themselves and acting in their typical crass manner, and likely to make onlookers and guards wonder how safe anyone is around this frothing fellow.
That said, in my experience, it tends to be the annoying bard who gets shut down sooner than the dangerous and often far more blatent warrior.
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I feel it's usually a tough situation when determining whether or not bullying someone in front of a guard would be considered IC plausible. The ideal would be to avoid it if possible and bully them out of guard range. Some people tend to stay around guards on purpose, and that's something you have to deal with RPly, not OOCly.
However, if you do find yourself bullying (or being bullied) in front of a guard, use a little common sense to determine how far you can take it without both parties being arrested (one for inciting violence, the other for assault). I'd assume that most policemen would arrest both people in this situation (granted it got out of hand), because frankly they're both aggressors. If a policeman -sees- and -hears- this, he has all the probable cause he needs to make the collar. If it was merely a shouting match, it would most likely end in the cop breaking it up and sending the two parties on their way because they're disturbing the peace. Since there most likely won't be a DM around, planning for this contingency may show some decency on your part.
Of course, it's true that there are corrupt guards out there that would rather watch the fight and place a bet on it then actually do anything, but that's only with a DM present and at their discretion. Like it was said, if you want an arrest or interesting interaction to occur in front of a guard, make sure a DM is there. Otherwise, take the interaction as far as plausible, then perhaps curtail your behavior and walk away once your point is made. Making sure someone is arrested isn't the only way to stir up conflict, after all.
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@--lizard-man--:
If the character has some social strength (charisma, skills - especially taunt in this case) then I say go for it. If on the other hand it's Joe "Bloodletter" Shmoe the 8 charisma fighter then chances are the character is riled themselves and acting in their typical crass manner, and likely to make onlookers and guards wonder how safe anyone is around this frothing fellow.
That said, in my experience, it tends to be the annoying bard who gets shut down sooner than the dangerous and often far more blatent warrior.
Even with the social skills, I'd still start it out with a tell to the other player making sure he wants to play along. There's nothing more frustrating than being bound by an aggravating character simply because a DM isn't present. Without saying any names (no need to shame the guilty), I had dozens of hours wasted with my last major character because of a player who did exactly that. A tell goes a long way. It can make the difference in being a jerk who just wants to have fun at someone's expense to a person playing a character who happens to be in a less than ideal situation.
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Having been bullied in RL, I'd very much value a private Tell before someone developed an IC bullying situation. If there is no time, or circumstances mitigate away from the Tell beforehand, then please send a Tell after to defuse any OOC crossover feelings!
@HarryMcScary:
A tell goes a [very] long way.
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I almost always send a Tell following some kind of IC conflict, being that I often clash with other characters because of alignment and beliefs. There's absolutely no sense in having bad blood OOC because a situation isn't handled with reasonable courtesy from one player to another.
That being said, I think this is all especially pertinent to some of the IG goings-on right now. My $.02 is that you should definitely grab a DM if you're going to have conflict of this nature, if for no other reason than to ensure at least a better chance at fairness (or at least moderation of some sort).
I also agree with the point that if you're going to be intimidating another character, it goes a long way (for me personally as a player) to see that you have a +8 Intimidate modifier, rather than you just expecting me to play along. I know not everyone's a fan of social skills, and they definitely don't guarantee an automatic response of any kind from other players (nor should they), but they at least show that you've put thought into the persuasive/beguiling/intimidating/taunting nature of your PC further than demanding someone fear you in front of NPC guards.
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I disagree with the sending someone a tell prior to any form of action as I prefer to stay as IC as possible to prevent breaking immersion in what is bound to be an intensive RP session. Then again, I'm also one of those who is likely to try and get a DM in the first place.
However, if someone is goading one of my characters, and its clear a DM isn't online, I'd be more appreciative if the character was more open to taking the disagreement into an arena where we can fight without metagaming a guard etc.
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If you are verbaly insulting somone fine ive done it and had it done you should always first and foremost stay ic.
If the insult would make you punch them in the face do it ..if it's more extreme like a duel to the death then challange and kill them as a proper duel.
The main problem with thugs and most characters reaction to them is they use weapons …As soon as you use a weapon you are tring to kill not tring to pick a fight to get them into trouble.
As a rule if im involved in pvp i send a message on the dm channel other than that if you arn't murdering peaple in the streets or attacking everyone lamely there is no issue.Now that said not everyone wants or enjoys pvp so if you get the feeling they want nothing to do with you or the RP you are tring to do just use a last quip and leave them alone.
Thats my view on it anyway.
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The main problem for me, is that sometimes there is an idea, that people are using their low levels as "shield".
Becouse, if I attack this 3rd lvl rogue who constantly insults my high - level character, I suddenly appear as picking on weak, if I try to goad him into a duel, et cetera, et cetera.
I mean - don't get me wrong. Quite a lot of people stands up to the consequences of their words - by often just giving the "satisfaction" of a duel. But it's more often then not, that people still side with the one that refuses to duel - which, in more or less medieval times, means he IS all mouth and no actual skill, as he refuses to back his insults with any action.
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:57 am Post subject:
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The main problem for me, is that sometimes there is an idea, that people are using their low levels as "shield".
Becouse, if I attack this 3rd lvl rogue who constantly insults my high - level character, I suddenly appear as picking on weak.
No if a low level is insulting you to your face beat him up and make him fear you icly but make sure you warn him first with rp then beat the tar out of him shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 punches so thats what 1 or 2 rounds then threaten to kill him if he ever does it again.
You may get arrested or you may not if a dm is there he will act accordingly if not then just stay ic and if he reports you to the guards take the licks later.
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Just a fore-statement. I am not trashing people in how they play their characters, and I am by no means calling people out or implying that everyone behaves in this way. It is just something I have noticed with increased frequency as of late.
I think the main thing that bothers me is that I see very little fear RPed overall. I find it odd that everyone and their cousin feels the need to verbally assault and harass my character when, in game, he should be feared rather than mocked. I don't mean to say that my character is a bad ass and all should fear him, its just odd that weaker characters (Both mechanically and Ingame wise) think they can stand up to him. It even further bothers me when I know I cannot do anything except engage in a shouting match with aforementioned players. I believe bullying would not be a problem, if the person who was being bullyed would RP a little fear. (Of course, if the bully should be feared). Just my two cents.
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I think the main thing that bothers me is that I see very little fear RPed overall. I find it odd that everyone and their cousin feels the need to verbally assault and harass my character when, in game, he should be feared rather than mocked.
Fear icly has to be earned from the player base your character can be the most mechanicaly powerful ever made but if you do not do scary stuff you arn't going to be feared.
It even further bothers me when I know I cannot do anything except engage in a shouting match with aforementioned players.
Then if all you can do is that you arn't going to get ic fear step outside the box and do somthing,make them know you can kill them at will then you will get fear.
