Counterspelling (again)
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I would search for this, but I'm in a bit of hurry yet have enough time to write a post.
In vanilla nwn, counterspelling has a silly gap when Dispel Magic can not counter spells of lvl 4 or greater, and Greater Dispel Magic is not available until lvl 11, which means that spells from levels 4 and 5 lack an universal counter unless you are lvl 11+.
Does this help the matter at all:
Abjuration School
Having "Spell focus: Abjuration" and "Greater spell focus: Abjuration" will allow the following spells to be casted as if 2 and 4 levels higher, respectively:
•Shield
•Lesser Dispel (only +1/+2 for this spell)
•Dispel Magic
•Minor Globe of invulnerability
•Greater dispelling
•Lesser Spell Mantle
•Globe of InvulnerabilityThese caster levels are added after the caster'cap for the dispels is calculated allowing you to go over it, i.e. a level 4 wizard with greater spell focus abjuration will have a +6 on his roll when casting lesser dispel.
Or is this only a help on the roll wether or not a dispel succeeds?
If I use metamagic feats to boost the level of the dispel, does it allow me to counter higher level spells? If yes, is there a metamagic feat that allows Dispel Magic to be cast as a lvl 5 spell?
Andy finally and most importantly: Those that answer to this question: Is your answer based on "In my opinion…", "Acording to what the rules/spells/feats say..." or "Yeah, I have tested this IG and it does/does not work like that"?
(Also, Sorry if these has been answered a million times before!)
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I will grab a volunteer and test this later because I'm interested.
But I'm like 99% sure it doesn't work for counter spelling. Think it would be a pretty awesome perk if it did though.
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That would be fantastic if a specialized abjurer could counterspell higher level spells with dispel magics
I suggest leaving such a powerful thing to specialist abjurers, not just someone with greater spell focus: abjuration, though.
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IF I was going to implement it, yeah you'd need to focus on it entirely, you might even need re-agents as well, dunno.
It's not high priority anyway though.
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The feats raise the caster level, not the spell level.
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@The:
The feats raise the caster level, not the spell level.
So I thought, but I asked just to be sure. But, since metamagic feats actually raise the spell level (at least in pnp, they raise the DC of the save because of the raised spell level), I was hoping these might work in nwn. Also of note: IF metamagic feats can be used to boost dispel magic to counterspelling lvl 4 and 5 spells, then I'd also be interested to find out if it works with a sorcerer as well. (Since I have no idea if spontaneous metamagic is even checked for the effects).
And, if we find out that neither of these work - with the recent addition of new spells (lumo and shadow), I suppose it might be possible to create a "Slightly Better Dispel Magic" and "Pretty Good Dispel Magic" for levels 4 and 5?
In any case, if nobody has tried using metamagic feats to boost the spell level of Dispel magic, this might be something that should be tested.
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That's actually an awesome idea. Use metamagic spells to boost dispel to be able to dispel higher level spells.
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I just checked - The only metamagic feats that can be applied to Dispel Magic are Silent, Still, and Quicken.
So, you might be able to Still or Silent Dispel Magic to counter 4th level spells, but you won't be able to counter lvl 5 spells anyway. Anyway, the gap would be a lot smaller, and it would really make counterspelling a much more valid choice.
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Actually in dnd metamagic feats do not raise the level of a spell. For that, there is a specific metamagic feat (with a name I do not recall right now) that the developer of nwn decided not to implement.
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You're thinking of Metamagic: Heighten Spell.
Metamagic spells use higher slots but in fact do/should not increase in level when doing so.
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Exactly.
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I would recommend making Lesser spell breach act as a dispel magic for purposes of counterspelling.
A) Lesser spell breach really isn't popular and seldom used, Especially for abjurers (Mainly because its not affected by higher caster level and takes up a higher level slot to boot)
B) Its a type of Dispel so it makes sense
You could also use Lesser spellmantle for 5th circle but I don't think there really needs to be a universal counter spell for every single spell level, just having one for 4th would be of tremendous help